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Date Posted: - Thursday - 07/20/06 - 3:23pm
Author: Will Holoman

Does anyone have any experience (or know of anyone who has) with Baja Naval boatyard in Ensenada? I plan to have my boat painted there next month but I haven't checked it out in person.

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[> BAJA NAVAL ENSENADA -- Will Holoman M31 "Salvia", - Thursday - 07/20/06 - 3:27pm

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[> I'd contact... -- Randall, Murre, M31, - Friday - 07/21/06 - 2:24pm

...the folks at Latitude 38. That's our local (San Francisco) sailing rag. They're very connected in Baja and can either advise or they know someone who can.



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[> [> Baja Naval -- John & Jan, Santa Teresa M40, - Tuesday - 08/ 8/06 - 2:59pm

We've heard very good things about them from other folk here in San Diego and are planning on taking ST down there in November to do the same thing. Please let us know how your experience goes!

John & Jan
(PS. We're married now!!!)

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[> Baja -- Terry, - Tuesday - 08/ 8/06 - 11:46pm

I have a good friend that lives on his boat there. He has had good results with thier work but the last bottom paint job they did was terrible. Only one side of the boat held up. On the bad side the paint did not last even six months in San Diego bay. Baja would not rectify the situation either. My suggestion is to keep a close eye while the work is being done. My friend did not watch them closely.

I will take my boat there to have work done next spring. The rates are good and generally they do great work. The yard is very clean and the facilities are good.


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[> [> Thanks! -- Will Holoman M31 Salvia, - Tuesday - 08/15/06 - 3:43pm

Thanks for the warning! I'll try to keep an eye on them as best I can - it will be hard from Newport...What is your friends name? May I contact him? It would be worth many cervesas if he could help me with this process.

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[> I'll update as work happens -- Will Holoman M31 Salvia, - Tuesday - 08/15/06 - 3:45pm

I'll post photos and updates as the work happens and after.

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[> She's back! -- Will Holoman M31 "Salvia", - Tuesday - 10/ 3/06 - 2:32pm

Salvia is back from Baja Naval and she looks awesome! Those guys do a killer job and the price is right. The only snag was the lack of info on the type of bottom paint the previous owner used - we had to strip all of the paint and primer off and start from scratch. The LP job is beautiful! I recommend Baja Naval, their yard is clean and they do good work. My only complaints are that the boat was a few days late and was dirty when I came to pick it up. I will post pics as I take them. We are in Long Beach (Shoreline M50) now - is anyone else nearby?

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[> [> Congratulations! -- John & Jan, Santa Teresa M40, - Wednesday - 10/18/06 - 3:18pm

Congratulations! How long did it take them and do you have any recommendations if we follow in your wake? How was their pricing and what did it include?

Sorry we missed you when you sailed by San Diego!

John & Jan
S/V Santa Teresa (M40)

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[> [> [> Sorry for the delay -- Will M31 "Salvia", - Thursday - 11/ 2/06 - 3:38pm

The paint work is top-notch. They had to remove all antifouling due to our lack of knowledge as to what type of paint was on there. This added to the expense. Overall, it cost ~$7000 including stripping the bottom down to glass, two coats primer and three coats antifouling, stripping priming and painting from the caprail to the waterline with awlgrip and the associated hauling and storage. They fixed all blemishes and blisters as well. Salvia is absolutely beautiful now. They were a few days late with the boat which pushed our pick up date back two weeks, but they cut us a deal to keep it in their marina. All in all it was a total hassle to do the work at Baja Naval. Driving down from Newport Beach to Ensenada and back across the border every weekend sucked. The savings were substantial over having the job done locally, but if I had to do it over again I might just pony up the dough and save myself the logistical headaches.

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[> [> [> [> Baja Naval -- John & Jan, Santa Teresa M40, - Monday - 11/ 6/06 - 3:49pm

Sorry it was such a struggle but we really appreciate the feedback. We called and talked to them last week and they estimated our wooden Mariner would be over 8,000. Sigh...

John & Jan

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[> [> [> [> [> Really... -- Will Holoman M31 Salvia, - Tuesday - 11/ 7/06 - 2:22pm

Wow - I'm curious, how much do they want to do the same work in San Diego?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Not interested -- John & Jan, - Tuesday - 11/ 7/06 - 5:25pm

We recently had ST hauled out at Koehler Kraft for a bottom job. I talked to the yard foreman about doing the topsides and they really weren't interested. They tend to be rather... um... "snootie" there. I appreciated the rail lift rather than slings and the Ultrakote with a 3 year guarantee is nice but I don't believe I would go back. We felt like they rushed us in and out without listening to our questions or showing any interest in additional work.

We've heard good things about Driscol's in Mission Bay where they will haul you and allow owners to do their own work (provided you buy the materials from them). We'll let you know what we decide. Meanwhile Jan and I come home after work and sand....

We are learning so much which is part of the fun. Teresa is actually in good shape but she can always be better! (Wink)

The varnish on the caprails was really looking ragged so we've stripped them (three times so far... GRIN). We've tried chemical strippers (YUCK! What a mess!). Sanding (I cry when I see the sawdust floating away...) and heat guns (don't ask about the plastic scrapper episode).

The next step was "sealing." Round one was tung oil. That looked great but was blochy in places. (See round two "Sanding")In round two we tried sealing with West Systems. It looked great for a week but you have to get the varnish on quickly or the sun will bake the epoxy (see round three "Heat Gun") For round three, we managed to get two layers of epoxy on but the humidity was too high for the second layer and it "clouded." (see round three more sanding...)

Currently we are sanding again and drinking heavily...

We'll keep you posted.

John & Jan

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Koehler craft -- CaptnG (hmmm), - Monday - 04/ 2/07 - 9:39am

I agree with John about Koehler in San Diego. i asked them to be quick but over all their yard is a mess which kind of says someting about their work.. The guys doing the job where nice but over-all I wasn;t happy. They left newspaper imbedded in my bottom paint ( seperating the paint form the supports )which i can't get out except by re-doing the bottom. They didn't sand before painting as promised and I thought the job was sloppy... could have done it better myself.

CaptnG " Grace O'Malley" M-40

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Interesting -- Will Holoman M31 Salvia, - Wednesday - 11/ 8/06 - 11:38am

I find it interesting when "business" owners don't seem interested in work. I tried three different riggers before one even showed up to estimate adding roller furling to Salvia. Naturally, he got the job - for 3 grand!! These people must be independently wealthy to turn away work like that!
I am curious why it's so much work to refinish your caprail. I buy jet-speed varnish from WM for the first coat on bare wood then add subsequent coats of UV resistant Schooner varnish with good results. Of course, I'm more interested in protection than the perfect varnish job, but it always looks good.
I know it's taboo to suggest this in SoCal right now but a couple of day laborers can plow through a sanding job in short order.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> finishing caprails -- John & Jan, - Monday - 11/27/06 - 4:22pm

GRIN... It has taken us an amazing amount of time to complete any work. I suppose a lot of it has to do with living on a mooring ball. "Whoops! I forgot to get the XYZ" Then it's row 1/3 mile back to shore, hop in the car... row back... light's gone, weekend's over... And a major factor is our quest for perfection. We are so in love with ST that each job must be perfect. That means learning from our mistakes (which are many) and being willing to start over.

I've got to say the rails finally look spectacular though. We found sanding to bare wood, two coats of tung oil and six coats of Epivanes look great. Now we need to make covers to hide it all! LOL.

John & Jan
Santa Teresa
San Diego

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