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Date Posted: 22:49:30 08/30/02 Fri
Author: Raphaela
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Subject: Re: Haiku (hey, I couldn't think of a better name)
In reply to: Richard Blake 's message, "Re: Haiku (hey, I couldn't think of a better name)" on 15:37:29 08/30/02 Fri

Hi Richard

Well basically a senryu is more abstract and may be about human emotions, people etc. whereas a haiku is purer and more about nature itself. I have pasted an extract which gives more detail below. I was nitpicking your 'poem', which I greatly enjoyed and was very impressed with - just trying to give constructive criticism on the form.

I hope to read more of these. I have myself written hundreds of them as I often use them as 'sketches' to capture a moment, which I sometimes develop into a longer poem or often leave as is.

Raphaela

"SENRYU and HAIKU

Senryu is similar to haiku in that it follows the 5-7-5 syllables. However, the main difference is that senryu may express human emotions and is more abstract than haiku. which is concrete and has strict rules regarding nature.

For more details on old/new forms see JAPANESE POETRY TERMS Compiled by Jane Reichhold

www.ahapoetry.com/

This link summarises senryu in the following way.

�senryu (SEN-YOU-RUE) - river willow - The pen name of the most famous poet who conducted maekuzuki (linking contests) has been given to this genre in his dubious honor. Because haiku and senryu are written much alike, often on the same subjects and usually by the same authors, great controversies have ensued over which is what. For a time, in America, senryu were considered to be faulty haiku. Actually, if one must differentiate, the senryu form is satiric, concerned with poking fun at human behavior as opposed to the profound, sublime world of nature where haiku shine. In Japan the distinction is easier to find because all of their haiku contain a season word - kigo and senryu do not. Haiku are published with the author's name and senryu are not - which tells you much about the esteem of senryu.�

and Haiku is defined as:

�haiku (HI-COO)-a verse of haikai- Thus it originally meant a verse taken from a renga, but in this century, it was coined by Shiki to be synonymous with hokku. From this came the idea that haiku had to have the elements of the hokku, a kigo and a kireji, but most important was the linking of images completely within the three lines without relying on connections with other elements to make a completed thought.
Also it was to be uplifting, edifying, profound, and not fun. Modern poets have reverted back to writing haiku which could have been the stanza from any part of a renga. Also, in Japanese, the singular and plural are the same: the sheep are and the sheep is so there are no haikus or rengas.�

Another excellent link for a 'brief' description of poetic terms can be found in The Star Cross Caf�

http://shoga.wwa.com/~rgs/gl-s.html"

>What is a senryu? I have studied various forms (even
>complex forms such as the ghazel) and have never heard
>of this form! This is a haiku through and
>through--most of the haiku I read are a single
>sentence, complimenting the idea that they should be
>able to be spoken in a single breath--and I was simply
>following that format. Now philosophically, or
>poetically, I may be following the ideas on which a
>senryu is based. Please explain.

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Re: Haiku - oops -- Raphaela, 22:59:43 08/30/02 Fri