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Date Posted: 06:49:13 05/03/03 Sat
Author: Donn Korbin
Subject: Re: Defense of Handler Rule Question
In reply to: LauraH 's message, "Re: Defense of Handler Rule Question" on 18:04:39 05/02/03 Fri

I think this is an interesting question. Do you have to use the same word for "heel" as in the obedience exercise as you do for this exercise. While there are cues, would seem logical that you would be allowed to use a different command.

Donn K.

>David,
> Thank you for the response. The rulebook is unclear
>- there is no mention of type of command needed. But
>you are probably right...:)
>
>Most dogs know what exercise it is before you even
>start. No other exercise brings the decoy in close
>proximity handshake or no handshake :) (and I don't
>want to rely on a handshake or anything of the sort to
>be a cue). However, my dog has great difficulty
>turning away from the decoy in heel position even when
>he's down field - he does it, but not easily. So it
>would be nice to be clearer, more consistent, and more
>fair and tell him that "heel" is just that, and
>"defense" is lean (keeping body contact) and do as you
>please until the hit.
>
>We chose this method because he likes to lean
>naturally and is extremely vigilant. I have tried
>having him "spin" prior to the hit to free him up to
>watch other decoys - and I agree that at least in his
>case he would be more likely to leave. The pushing
>against me works very well for him since he can be in
>any position until the hit - he is very intent on
>positioning himself between me and the decoy and
>leaning in harder as the decoy gets closer. He is
>encouraged to be in one of four positions like on a
>compass (front, back, right/left side) either facing
>one direction or the other and shown how to turn
>around and maintain contact immediately. We proof out
>ability on the decoy's part to draw him off. This
>method seems to make him more difficult to trick or
>sneak up on from behind especially. The only bad thing
>is that as the decoy gets closer, it can become very
>difficult to walk (I'm only 5'0 tall - my dog is
>27"...:)) I don't know if we will use this method for
>future dogs. The other way that you described may work
>much better depending on what we see - and seems to be
>more common at the Championships for one reason or
>another.
>
>I would love to see a discussion about the pros/cons
>of the other methods - we are starting a new pup in
>MR.
>
>For the command, right now am cueing him at the
>prep-point (actually with "Bye-bye" as the cue), but I
>may try to find out if I can use a different language
>or something once I start moving at the start-point.
>This may not be as much of an issue with my big-guy,
>but could be very helpful for our new pup down the
>road, also.
>
>Thank you again!
>Laura
>
>
>
>>Hi Laura,
>>
>>I don't have my rule book in front of me, but I
>>believe you must give a "heel" command at the
>>beginning of the exercise as that is what the dog is
>>expected to do... walk beside you until the attack.
>>
>>You can cue with a "defense, defense, defense" at the
>>first set up line.
>>
>>I know that some people train for a spinning dog prior
>>to the attack (and certainly if you are transfering
>>from a French program it may be necessary) but we
>>trained the dogs to more or less keep the heel
>>position and just follow the decoy with their heads.
>>We felt that a moving dog may get drawn off the
>>handler prior to the bite by a good decoy.
>>
>>Love to hear other's opinions.
>>
>>Thanks for the great question.
>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>>For the beginning of the Defense of Handler exercise
>-
>>>at the starting point, does the handler have to give
>a
>>>"heel" command? Or can the handler give a different
>>>command for the exercise (ie. "defense" or whatever)?
>>>For this exercise, I do not want my dog to heel - he
>>>needs to be completely mobile in circling around me
>>>either direction and must maintain body contact at
>all
>>>times - but should only heel as a default. I feel
>that
>>>asking him to heel but not wanting him to would be
>>>conflicting... But would a different command be
>viewed
>>>as an exercise cue at the starting point? For now, I
>>>tell him the exercise at the preparation point, but
>>>give no command at the starting point. I would like
>to
>>>change this if possible :)
>>>
>>>Thanks!!!
>>>Laura

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