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Subject: Re: Internal Investigation?

Author:
JeffF

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Date Posted: 07:57:06 06/07/02 Fri
In reply to: Mark7 's message, "Internal Investigation?" on 22:40:25 06/06/02 Thu

Putting words in my mouth again, Mark? :-)
I say again I don't like the house demolition policy. I think it's counterproductive and punishing innocent families lets the world forget that Israel is the victim here. Plus, it just breeds a desire for revenge. Making people homeless is not a helpful step towards future peace. I think the demolition of houses should be abolished as a policy.
An internal investigation could be conducted by either the judicial system or the military itself(similar to the Mai Lai investigation in this country) or by an independant commission. This is how things are done in democracies, Mark.
If the Nazis had had an independant judiciary or any independant body that could investigate things without being punished by Hitler or his henchman, that would have been different. Remember, that the Israeli judiciary is not subject to the orders of the elected leader of the state.
And Germany did conduct investigations of Nazis after the Nazis were defeated. Only the first few trials were conducted by the allies and the Nazi finance minister who was found innocent at Nuremberg was convicted by a German court later.

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Mark7
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Date Posted: 21:44:29 06/07/02 Fri

This is where you err. "Israel" is not the victim. The people who were killed by Palestinians are the victims. And the people who's houses are demolished by IDF are the victims. The Palestinians who are killed by "accident" are the victims. But most important, the Palestinian children growing today in Gaza and the West Bank are the victims. Innocent victims of land greed, fundamentalism, racism and American aid.

Where you fail and where America is failing is to see the equalness of those victimized.

But if you just count the victims, there are far more on the Palestinian side. There is a three to one ratio of killings in favor of Israel. There are also the people left homeless and countryless. And as long as America, Israel, and the Jewish community fails to understand their humanity, their suffering, the "war on terrorism" will have the same fate as the "war on drugs".

The one victim I am mostly concerned is democracy and freedom in America. Bush is not above the morals of a dictator.