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Subject: Re: Book for you, Jeff: Author: JeffF [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 08:17:32 06/10/02 Mon In reply to: KatherineJ 's message, "Book for you, Jeff:" on 14:32:46 06/07/02 Fri Thanks, KJ. I'll take a look at it when I have a chance. Sure, you need peace for peace, but how do you get that? You have to make sure both sides are actually committed to peace and not just signing treaties. Remember, a lot of the terms of the agreement at Oslo has been violated by the PA, as most recently in the weapons shipment from Iran for example. The best hope for peace could come from the next generation. Programs to get teens from among Palestinians and Jews to get to know each other in this country have sometimes worked pretty well. Nevertheless, when peace is acheived, even a cold peace like the one with Egypt, it has held and that is a precedent of how land for peace can work if both sides are interested. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hey jeff Author: Forest [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:46:16 06/11/02 Tue thought of you when I read Sharon's column in the NYTimes sunday op ed (might have been monday) did you see it? what did you think?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hey jeff Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:42:05 06/12/02 Wed Hi, Forest, Thanks for alerting me to the article. I haven't seen it yet, but I'll look for it and get back to you. With Sharon, I'm not going to prejudge what I think of it, until I look at it. Good to see you here! To Mark, It's a treaty issue. The Iranian arms shipment violates the Oslo agreement. It would help get further agreements if this agreeement was lived up to.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Treaties Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:58:12 06/13/02 Thu Just a post or two ago you said that Israel doesn't abide by any international agreements. So your "moral" Israel refuses to abide by treaties for human rights, treaties for non-nuclear use and proliferation, treaties against weapons of mass distruction, Geneva Convention for rules of modern war, the UN Council resolutions but expects Palestine to abide by Oslo that takes away their right to self defend their homes against Israeli tanks? Quite hypocritical of Israel if you ask me.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sharon's article Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:30:04 06/12/02 Wed He is correct that this whole situation is the result of the 1967 war that Israel was forced into(and begged King Hussein to stay out of. As he points out, Israel only entered the West Bank in self-defense after it's cities were under fire. He is further correct that the UN resolution 242 which established the land for peace principle insisted that Israel had a right to secure and recognized boundaries. This was the basis for the treaty with Egypt and for the Oslo agreement, which put the PA in charge of most of the West Bank and Gaza. The PA leadership started the current war after the failure of Camp David. He is also right that a regional agreement is needed. I've said before no peace between the Palestinians and Israel will hold unless it is part of a more comprehensive peace and the Syrians and others sign off on it. He's also right that peace is most likely to come through interim steps rather than a rushed and unrealistic timetable. This article is generally Sharon in a more thoughtful mood than usual and I agre with a lot of it. If Mark hasn't seen it, maybe you can post it for him. However, I disagree that Israel cannot negotiate under fire. That's too blanket a statement. Negotiations are sometimes necessary while hostilities are going on. It would be nice to have a partner in negotiations that you can trust, but even if you don't, you should keep talking and see whether there is a way out of the impasse. I like his idea for a regional conference, but I think it has to include Palestinians, or it won't accomplish much. It still might not, but it's worth a try.