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Subject: Clafying my position Author: JeffF [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:53:03 06/12/02 Wed In reply to: Mark7 's message, "Re: Hm" on 23:59:21 06/11/02 Tue I see the humanity of ordinary people, not involved in terrorist activities. I've said before that I think some of Israels policy is counterproductive and will not help establish peace in the long run. I dislike the house demolishments and I dislike people being held without trial. What you fail to see is that suicide bombers and other attacks on civilians don't just hurt Israel ulimately they hurt the Palestinians. Most of the Isreali public favored peace negotiations, but now, even those on the left have doubts. They see that since Oslo and the installment of the Palestinian administration, peace has not increased and people live in constant fear. I still hope the day comes when the Palestinians can control all of the West Bank and Gaza, but where are the leaders who will step forward and negotiate actual peace with Israel, including a police force that actually stops terrorism, instead of encouraging it? I'll look for the column of Sharon that Forest mentioned and get back to both of you. One question though, Mark. How is Israel reacting to terrorism any different than say Britain reacting to Irish terrorism or India reacting to Kashmir terrorists or the Phillipines reacting to Islamic terrorists? I repeat - all countries react to attacks on civilians. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There is no peace without justice Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:54:24 06/13/02 Thu You cannot rob a people of it's land, it's dignity, it's right to live and it's way of life, keep doing it and expect peace. Israel needs to offer justice to ordinary Palestinians who's homes it robbed at gunpoint. You, me, the US, Arafat, the war criminal Sharon, Hamas, and the great fundamentalist retard that rules America cannot change the fundamental fact that Palestinians have lost their homes at gunpoint.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: So they are right/justified to blow themselves up? (nt) Author: KatherineJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:14:23 06/14/02 Fri

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oh, and murder a few other ppl in the process. Author: KatherineJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:15:28 06/14/02 Fri

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Who's to justify them? Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:17:15 06/16/02 Sun What would you tell your husband, your grown son to do if the enemy would come at the door of your house with a gun and tell you to pack and leave your house so they can own it?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Who's to justify them? Author: KatherineJ [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:41:19 06/18/02 Tue There is a non sequitur in your message, but I'm not smart enough to articulate it. Katherine

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Who's to justify them? Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:04:23 06/18/02 Tue Can you justify the attack today on another bus, this time it wasn't soldiers. More civilians, many of them children were killed or injured. Do you think this actually helps the Palestinian cause? If they want to keep the focus on whether the settlements are illegal and whether they can have a completely independant state, suicide bombers attacking a bus full of children doesn't help. Put the moral questions aside, and on a purely practical level, it does nothing to get the Palestinians closer to their goal.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Terrorism Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:34:21 06/18/02 Tue Terrorism is terrorism. It is bad no matter if it is a suicide bomber, or a helicopter pilot shooting from a safe distance. An eye for an eye. Both Arabs and Jews believe in an eye for an eye, and that's why there are so many blind people in the Middle East. There will be more suicide bombers and more torture in Israeli prisons, more "targetted assassinations". All those are terrorist acts, weather Burp the great retarded leader can articulate them as such. What does Israeli and Arab killing each other's children have to do with my paying for it? Why should American taxpayers pay to support Israeli terror against Arab terror?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You justify them Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:39:56 06/18/02 Tue Katherine, I cannot distinguish between Zionism and Muslim fundamentalism. I cannot differenciate between Jihad and Crudiade. I cannot see the difference between "targetted assassination", torture of prisoners in Israeli jails and Arab terrorism. I am not as smart as the great drunken cowboy. To me, a Palestinian is entitled to the same right to his home as anybody else. I would kill for my home, if I had to. I don't see why do we support unconditionally Israel, when both Jews and Arabs believe in an eye for an eye. And I don't give a damn if all Jews and Arabs are killing each other's children in the name of God, or if they are all going blind. I just refuse to be dupped by Born Again idiots like the Great Retarded Ruler as to the need for Americans to follow the middle east. Stop aiding either side ASAP. We need the money at home.