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Subject: He's an oppurtunist Author: JeffF [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:36:24 04/10/02 Wed In reply to: Mark7 's message, "What about Sharon?" on 00:02:42 04/10/02 Wed Sharon's main goal was to get himself elected. That's why he took that trip to the Temple Mount that incited some of the violence(didn't take much). He knew that would lead to demand for stronger action and therefore to his election. It was cynical and it worked. Past that, it's hard to see what the current policy accomplishes. Sharon has increased sympathy for Arafat and the PA among Palestinians who couldn't stand Arafat and his administration. Now, they've all rallied around him, because they understandably don't like the idea that somebody else can choose their dictator(uh leader). Sharon hasn't lessened the terror and make no mistake, suicide bombers who attack civilians are terrorists, period. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: G. W. Bush's definition of terrorism Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:39:59 04/11/02 Thu According to G.W. Bush's deffinition of terrorism, the Jews in the Warsaw getto are the terrorists, and Hitler is exercising his right to "self-defense". Read the retart's definition of terrorism. It states clearly that terrorism is when the intent is "to change a government action or force a government decision". Obviously, the Jews in WW2 had no government, so Hitler would not be on the Bush's wanted list. Palestinians have no government or state either, so killing them is not terrorism either - maybe that's why Sharon is not on the list. Just some pointers. By the way, I heard there is some formal indictment at Bruxels about Sharon's murder of over 2000 Palestinian civilians men, women and children in the refugee camps of Sabra and Chatilla. How many Americans know who is our "brother in arms" doing the good work of God?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Quick point Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:35:20 04/11/02 Thu While I have no love for Sharon and think Israel would be better off if he went away, let's remember that he won his lawsuit against Time Magazine when Time suggested he was resposnible for or complicit in the massacres at Sabra and Chatilla,attacks that were carried out by Hadad,a Lebanese Christian and his men. Admittedly these were allies of Israel, but that's a whole different thing than saying Sharon was actually responsible. Nevertheless Sharon's statement that his current policies will pave the way for negotiations is absurd. Negotiations with who if the whole leadership of the PA is destroyed? There has to be somebody on the other side to talk to.

[> [> [> [> Subject: What about his indictment in Israel Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:08:52 04/11/02 Thu He may have won his lcawsuit with Time in the US, because in the US an Israeli minister cannot lose, but he was indicted by an Israeli military court. He was found responsible, since he was directly in command of the Christian militias who massacred those people. And I read he may never set foot in Bruxels because there is an indictment for him to apear in front of a war crimes tribunal. Never the less, the Israeli people, in their great moral wisdom, have elected this criminal to lead them into the moral war of ethnic clensing. Who knows, maybe he is the AntiChrist the Bible talks about. The point you are missing Jeff is that the majority of the Jewish Israelis do not want peace, and they don't want negociations. 70% of them support Sharon, and they are not idiots. I doubt they believe the suicide bombs are goint to stop because Sharon kills a few hundred Palestinians, mostly civilians caught in the fighting. The majority of Jewish Israelis support Sharon, because he is the man who will deliver them what they need and want more than peace, or security for their children. Sharon will deliver them the land of the West Bank and Gaza, ethnically clensed by Palestinians. And this is what Jewish Israeli the immigrants from Poland and Russia need in order to grow Israel and make it stronger. Sharon proved at Sabra and Chatilla he is the right man for the job, so they killed the peacemaker, and elected the genocidal maniac. And you know what? They will do it. With the help of the US of A, they will make life unbearable for Palestinians, they will find legal ways to make appartheit stick, and in 30 years Gaza, and later the West Bank will be confiscated, epurated and part of Israel. Then will be the turn of South Lebanon. Look at the map of Jewish settlements and see how the West Bank is already almost split in two. Just don't call it moral, because it's a similar situation with the Serbs in Kosovo. Only, what's criminal for the low life Serbs, is OK for the rich and politically well connected Jews. And at least, the Serbs didn't get foreign aid to pay for the bullets they used at Srebnica. Now call me antisemite, beca use that's the American specially the Jewish American kneejerk reaction to facts about Israel. How many Americans know that Israel does not cooperate with any human rights organizations? And how many Americans have the chance to hear what some Orthodox Rabbis have to say about Palestinians? It may make Osama sound like a nice guy.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Daschle Author: JeffF [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:22:05 04/23/02 Tue Mark, I'm happy to say that support for Israel remains steady among the Democratic Party too, not just the administration. The Senate Democratic leader Daschle gave a good speech yesterday saying that support for Israel must "be absolute and it must be maintained." As for Sharon's support in Israel, that can't be known unti the next election. The PA elected Sharon by declining peace when Barak offered it. Sharon hasn't actually increased security though and it's quite possible that Israelis may be looking for an alternative again. But until there is somebody to talk peace with, it's hard to see what difference who the leader on the Israeli side is will make. Let's not forget the violence and increase in terrorism started before Sharon's election.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Daschle Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:23:15 04/23/02 Tue Check my posts, I always maintained that unconditional support for Israel is just as strong among Democrats as it is among Republicans. This support runs deep in the US, partly because of Jewish cultural and political dominance in America, and partly because the religious dominance of Judaism in what I call "American mainstreem religion", for lack of better terminology = or otherwise known as Evangelist Christianity. It amaizes me to see so called "Christian" leaders like Pat Robertson, openly advocating unconditional support for Israel in spite of it breaking most commandments in the Bible. Remember, though shall not kill (not even Palestinian 12 year olds armed with rocks), though shall not steal (not even your neighbour's house and land)? Just the other day, I saw our American made Osama bin Laden (Pat Robertson) saying on national TV that killing Palestinian children and civilians is "normal". Anyhow, both Palestinians and Israelis are genocidal murderers, and are led by criminal maniacs, so my deep belief is that America will keep out of it, and will stop funding either side and let them kill at their own leisure, with their own weapons. I take Pilat from Pont's position. I do not want the blood of either Jews or Arabs on my American hands. Sadly, I have to admit that my tax money is used today to murder Palestinian children and rob them of their inheritance, their homes and a decent life, becaues I, an American citizen do not have the power to stop our corrupt government from being bribed by Jewish interests that do not have love for this country, the US of A. I am sad to say this, but I do believe that for every deed there is a punishment or reward, and one day, American children will have to pay for what our government is doing to Palestinian innocent children. Have a nice day.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Daschle, Bush, etc Author: Mark7 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:53:35 04/23/02 Tue Middle East politics are a bypartisan screwup, but G. W. Bush jr. proves every day that he is a criminally inclined idiot, with no idea of intenational politics. He is damaging this country to a high degree, starting with the economy, and ending with foreign politics. The man is a qualified imbecil, and I wish he would resign and return to a farm in Texas where he belongs, and where his stupidity is not so visible. So far, he proved he cannot lead in the 21st century, he doesn't have the moral makeup of a leader. G. W. Stupid had the opportunity after Sept 11 to change American foreign policy to conform with Human Rights, and thus lead the world to a new and better future. Instead the imbecil gave us a "definition" of terrorism that basically says "a terrorist is anyone we do not like". The idiot qualified the rights of governments to terrorise their own subjects as well as the citizens of other countries. He turned back the clock hundreds of years in terms of human rights. He gave a blank card to any would be war criminal wearing the uniform of a nation to kill civilians with impunity, he is disqulifying efforts to bring war criminals to international justice and he is in the process of distroying the democratic fabric of America. G. W. Bush and his croniew (Cheney and Ascroft among others), have managed to control most free press and media, they have managed to make Orwellian "double-speak" a fact of every evening news. When democratic guaranties from the Constitution are trampled on by the tongue speaking maniac Ascroft, and when Americans are cowarded into giving up their free speach rights, their attorney confidentiality rights and so on it is sold to American idiots as "sacrifice for Freedom" while in essence we are giving up our freedoms and righs for the sake of security. When Bush is seeking to apease the Jewish lobbies who help his candidacy or seeks revenge for his father's ill-conceived military adventures in Iraq, we are told it is to fight "terrorism". The amount of shameless lies, and the stupidity of an American public eager to swallow the intellectual garbage they are fed is amaizing. But I agree, Democrats will support killing Palestinians and confiscating their lands just as well as Republicans. But remember - according to the retard's deffinition of terrorism, George Washington would be a terrorist as well - he was a rebel against the governemnt of Great Britain, and he did kill civilians. However, according to the same deffinition of terrorism given by idiot Bush, George Armstrong Custer, the murderer of women and children is not a terrorist, and nor would Hitler or Stalin be classified as terrorists, because they are the governemnt killing civilians, and that is not part of the definition of terrorism. So much for the 10 commandments and the morality he claims to uphold in the White House. I always feld that morality, in American psyche condons murdera and stealing not to mention racism, but not sex. G. W. Bush is confirmation of the sad fact. The man is a great embarassment for America.