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Subject: Which begs the question:


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KatherineJ
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Date Posted: 14:23:00 05/10/02 Fri
In reply to: JeffF 's message, "Hey, Mark" on 08:01:41 05/10/02 Fri

Why did Bush rein in Sharon? That coalition he wants is not going to get formed, or at least not the way that would be acceptable to Bush. More hand-tying and hand-holding -- form over substance, IMO.

Katherine

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JeffF
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Date Posted: 15:01:15 05/10/02 Fri

The President has so many conflicting goals,that it's hard to know why he does anything. Remember before the 11th, he had little interest in foreign policy. I think his sympathies are with Israel, but there are a lot of "pragmatists" in the State Department and elsewhere who want to remember that there are a lot of Arabs in the Middle East and we don't want them all for enemies.
Rein in Sharon though? He may have tried, but I don't think he did it. Israel doesn't wait for a green light or a red light from the US before acting.
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Mark
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Date Posted: 20:18:42 05/11/02 Sat

Why is it these deaths never make the headlines? The horrible suicide bombings do. But somehow these deaths don't matter.
Among the dead are 15 unarmed civilians (7 children, 2 women, and 6 men), 2 Palestinian police officers, and 5 alleged 'gunmen.' Hence, as usual, the vast majority of the people killed are unarmed civilians:

May 1, Rafah, Occupied Gaza:

*Huda Muhammad Shaluf, age 2, was killed by shrapnel wounds to her
head when Israeli tanks fired at her house in Rafah, Gaza. Several
other members of her family were injured.

*Bilal al-Derbi, 22 and Ahmed Abu Khebleh, 21, were killed
after being struck in the head by Israeli machine-gun fire in their
homes before dawn.

*Abdallah Shaluf, 23, was killed by a gunshot to the head while
standing outside his home.

May 2, Rafah, Occupied Gaza:
*Sabha Abu Ghanem, 48, was killed by gunshots to her chest as
Israeli occupation forces mounted on tanks and armed bulldozers
advanced into the town firing heavy machine-guns. Three others,
including another women were injured in the incident.

May 3, Rafah, Occupied Gaza:

*Ibrahim Hamad, 19, died of his injuries two weeks after being hit.
On April 22 he suffered severe injuries to his head when Israeli
tanks shelled Rafah. Two other people were injured in that incident.

May 3, Bethlehem, Occupied West Bank:

*Nidal Ismail, 12, and his brother Abed Khaled Ismail, 10, were
killed by unexploded Israeli ordnance while playing in an abandoned
Palestinian police station which had just been vacated by Israeli
occupation forces. Their 14-year-old brother Noor Ismail lost both
of his legs and a hand in the explosion.

May 3, Nablus, Occupied West Bank:

*Abdel Karim Arja, a member of the Palestinian security forces was
killed by Israeli forces making an incursion into the city.

May 4, Bethlehem, Occupied West Bank:
*Khalas Dajahrah, 35, one of the Palestinians besieged in the Church
of the Nativity was shot in the chest by an Israeli sniper. He died
after being taken to an Israeli hospital. Israel claimed he was a
highly wanted terrorist.

May 4, Al Qarara, Occupied Gaza:

*Ramzi Ayid, 25, a Palestinian police man, was killed by a gunfire
to his head while standing at his checkpoint, as Israeli tanks bore
down on him.

May 5, Tulkarem, Occupied West Bank:

*Tamer Abu Sirriyeh, age 8, was killed by gunshot wounds to the
chest when Israeli tanks opened fire with heavy machine-guns on a
Palestinian refugee camp near Tulkarem. A 16-year old by was hit in the head and suffered severe injuries in the same incident.

May 5, Jenin, Occupied West Bank:

*Fatima Ibrahim Zakarneh, 30, and her son Bassem, age 4, and
daughter Abir, age 3, were targeted and killed by Israeli tank fire,
after Israeli occupation forces were reportedly spooked by a
snapping tank tread and thought the noise was a bomb set off by the
mother and her two toddlers.

May 6, Occupied Gaza:

*Hazen al-Wadya, 22, and Mahrus al-Bahtiti, 20, were killed in a gun
battle with Israeli forces after infiltrating across the border,
according to the Israeli occupation army's unverifiable claims.

*Suheil Ziada, 27, and Mazen Abu Razek, 23, were shot dead by
Israeli occupation forces near Karni crossing. The occupation army
claimed that the men were armed and attempting to infiltrate into
Israel.

May 6, Rafah, Occupied Gaza:

*Hassan Abul Jaza, 54, died of gunshot wounds to the head that he
had suffered five days previously when Israeli occupation forces
attacked Rafah.

May 7, Rafah, Occupied Gaza:

*Jamal al-Shaar, 17, was shot dead by Israeli occupation forces as
he came out of his home. His 15-year old brother was shot and
injured. The occupation forces then demolished their home.


Tell me Jeff. Why should my money pay for this? And if I do pay for the Israeli assassins wages, what moral right do I have?

Why shouldn't the families of those above hate me and all those I love, and try to do the same to them, as my money is doing to their loved ones?


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Author:
Mark7
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Date Posted: 20:12:58 05/11/02 Sat

About the idiot Bush.

And I copied a post from Yahoo Middle East Board. Maybe Jeff can tell me all these are lies:

Israels is the greatest at some things
by: americafirstlastforever (27/F/Buena Park, CA) 05/09/02 05:49 pm

Msg: 37514 of 37573

Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis are prohibited from buying or leasing land in Israel?

Did you know that automobile license plates in Israel and the occupied territories are
color-coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Did you know that in the occupied territories Israeli authorities allocate 85 percent of the
water resources for the tiny Jewish population, and the remaining 15 percent for the vastly
larger Arab population? In Hebron, for example, 85 percent of the water is set aside for
about 400 Jewish "settlers," while 15 percent must be divided among Hebron's 120,000
non-Jews.

Did you know that the United States provides Israel with $5 billion in aid each year?

Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds annual US aid to all the countries of
sub-Saharan Africa combined?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear
weapons?

Did you know that the Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the
nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and bars international inspection of its sites?

Did you know that for more than 30 years Israel has occupied territory of neighboring
Syria in defiance of international law and United Nations Security Council resolutions?

Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins to kill political enemies
in other countries?

Did you know that high-ranking Israel Defense Forces officers have admitted publicly that
IDF troops summarily killed unarmed prisoners of war?

Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute IDF troops who have acknowledged
executing prisoners of war?

Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses and land of
non-Jews, and refuses to pay compensation to the victims?

Did you know that on June 8, 1967, Israeli war planes attacked an American naval ship,
the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 American sailors, and wounding 177.


I know most of these, and that's why I think it is time we tell our government to stop aiding this criminal nation, and to our fellow Jewish countrymen to decide if they want to be Jews first, American second, or the other way around.

German Americans, Italian Americans made these choices. Jewish Americans seem to favor Israel before their own country, and I say it is time they change, or move to Gaza and the West Bank and build their future there with their own money.

I do not want my tax money used by Israel to for murder, torture and genocidal ethnic clensing in the name of God.

My God does not hate Palestinian children.

If somebody worships a God who hates Palestinian children, he/she should follow Sharon in Gaza. That includes the Satan Worship fundamentalists like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell who believe the same.

They should go to the occupied territories and strangle Arab babies with their own hands, but not as Americans, but as Israelis.

This nation has laws that prohibit an American national from serving in a foreign army and conflict. There are thousands of Jewish Americans who are Israeli veterans, and were American citizens at the time they fought ethnic cleansing wars in Palestine.

Why does our government prosecute them?


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