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Subject: Re: Germany and Japan

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Pam

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Date Posted: 00:35:05 10/12/01 Fri
In reply to: Mark7 's message, "Germany and Japan" on 23:58:45 10/11/01 Thu

Excuse my denseness, but what in the hell are you talking about?

Let's see...we gave Japan and Germany trememdous economic support after we beat them in a war, and our troubles with the middle east won't end until we do the same with them? Geez, did I sleep through our victory in war with them? When did we declare war on Palestine, defeat them in battle, and refuse to then help rebuild their country? Tell ya what, I am POSITIVE that the US government will be more than willing to aid the middle east in the same way, as soon as you let them know that we actually DID declare war, fight a war, and win a war with a middle eastern country. I have a feeling they must be as clueless about that bit of history as I am.

Now, I must say that I take exception, EXTREME exception to your statement that Germany "invented Hitler to get out of economic recession". Taking this marvelously warped statement at face value, it appears that you are saying that after WWI, the German government was so distraught over the recession that they more or less HIRED a supremicist dictator to exterminate races, solely because the US would then declare war on them, bomb them into the ground, then provide economic aid? Mark, I have to say that that is the most seriously fucked up bit of logic I have ever seen from anyone, anywhere. Except perhaps Hitler's logic in selecting which groups merited genocide. I can not believe that you actually believe that is true. Please tell me that I misunderstood your statement?

Pam

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JeffF
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Date Posted: 06:50:45 10/12/01 Fri

It's true that after World War I, the Versailles treaty created unnecessary crippling conditions for Germany. It's also true that they were severly hurt by the worldwide depression that was hurting most countries. Germany was hit by excessive unemployment and inflation at the same time.
Invent Hitler to get out of the recession? Nice try. But Hitler invented himself. Don't forget that Germany was also subject to constant street fighting as socialists and others vied for power. The Nazis were among those fighting. The severity of the fighting scared people. So did the depression. Hitler, a spellbinding if crazy speaker, took advantage of all of this.
Also there were opportunists in the weak German government who thought they could work with Hitler and contain him and the Nazis would take a small role in a new government. Von Papen in particular, who was tried and incredibly acquited at Nuremberg did more to help Hitler come to power to try and further his own career than anybody else did.
It's true that Hitler first came to power by election. Some of that was people seeing him as a popular savior, but a lot of that was simple fear. The SA, then his most powerful organization was intimidating people into voting for him.
I agree that the Versailles treaty was a serious mistake and led to a lot of German resentments, but let's also not forget that most of that treaty was designed by France and England. Woodrow Wilson, the US president at the time had tried to go in a different direction with the League of Nations and Congress wouldn't go for it.