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Subject: Was my aunt a feminist when she was present at my medical examination?


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Date Posted: 04:56:28 03/03/07 Sat

Was my aunt acting like a feminist in this true story about me below?
Up until the age of 16, my mom was always in the room when I had my yearly summer physical. I did not want her there, felt embarrased, and was told by her that a mom needs to know that her boy is staying healthy and developing normally. By the age of 16, I was tall like my dad, muscular from having turned out for sports, and had a thick patch of blonde public hair. When my parents went to Europe for the summer, I had to stay with my aunt, a woman about age 40 who was an attorney and very strict. I was pretty shy and respectful around her as she had a temper. To my surprise, she scheduled me me for my summer physical and came in the examining room with me. What really shook me up was when a woman doctor came in, an attractive woman about age 30. I blushed all over as she had me take my shirt, undershirt, levis, shoes, and socks off. I had to sit on a table in my tight white briefs and be examined by her as my aunt watched and asked many questions. When my aunt asked the doctor, "Is he developing normally and keeping himself clean", I did not know what she was asking. The doctor smiled and said "Let's look." She pulled a chair up, sat on it, and had me stand in front of her. I got real nervous then. She reached up and pulled my tight white briefs down and had me step out of them. As I got excited, my penis started to get bigger. She felt my big testacles, had me cough twice, examined them with something called an orchidometer, and answered my aunt's questions as my aunt pulled her chair closer to look at my testacles. She told my aunt that a boy like me with big testacles that hang down low should not be wearing tight white briefs under my pants. I got excited and saw my penis grow into a big erection. The doctor pulled out a tape measure from her pocket, measured my penis, and told my aunt that I was 9 inches long by 6 inches wide. She then said that I was uncircumsized and pulled my glans back on the head of my penis and examined me. She showed my aunt where I was not clean around the head of my penis when she pulled the skin back. I was so embarrassed that I just stared stright ahead. She told my aunt that my erection and the wetness on the tip of my penis was normal during an exam. She told my aunt that boys need to be occasionally checked at home to see if they are keeping the penis head clean so that they don't get an infection, especially if they are in sports. My aunt told her that she would occassionally check me this summer to make sure that I stayed clean. That made me really feel uneasy inside. The doctor then had my aunt hold my uncircumsized penis and showed my aunt how to pull back the glans on the tip of the penis to check to see if the head was clean. She gave my aunt a tissue to use and had her clean the head of my penis. She then showed my aunt where my penis was being rubbed and bruised by the jock straps that I wore for football, wrestling, and baseball as well as by my white briefs. I started to get more wetness then on the tip of my penis. My aunt smiled and told her that she would take me that afternoon to a woman's dress shop and buy me some silk panties to wear at home so that the bruising could heal. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Should an aunt, mom, or older sister be in the room when a boy is examined by a doctor?

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Subject: Yahoo Gender Studies Forum


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Date Posted: 16:42:20 01/24/12 Tue

I was chatting with some Gender Studies regulars, who were giving each other high-fives, that there used to be feminists on Yahoo but they scared them all away.

Indeed Yahoo Gender Studies USED TO BE an area where Gender and Women's studies were discussed.

Now it is a forum where people go to rant about feminist, rant about how they would like to beat the crap out of women, joke about rape, insult rape victims, gripe about how men are unfairly victimized by society, and make snarky comments about people (especially women) with fertility problems. It is also a place where people go to either joke around about, or rant about genital mutilation.

Needless to say, any individual with genuine questions about gender and women's studies is scared off.

Under normal circumstances I would say that OK this is the way the world works. However, Yahoo Answers has global exposure. It is not your podunk forum. Millions of people stumble across the website monthly from all over the world.

This is but one example, of shitcrap that this forum produces, BECAUSE women-haters and trolls took over the forum: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120121112154AAfzsie

Here is another example:

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How about this?:
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this is actually remotely decent, nevermind the trolling:
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I wonder if the bit about rape victims being stoned to death will be reported? Don't report it. It is a prime example.

So my point is ... if every one of you took a few hours out of your week to ask questions, answer [relevant and non-trolling] questions, and vote on decent answers that are in voting ... maybe we might scare away the misogynists and trolls, and begin to do the topic some justice. If you made your presence known, on this website that attracts millions of new page-hits per month, you can turn the reputation of this topic around, clear up misunderstanding and actually help people from all interests, backgrounds and walks of life, who have a question about gender and women's studies and most of all, overwhelm hateful and nefarious voices.

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Date Posted: 02:36:45 01/20/03 Mon


I am not a male hater, I am not a lesbian, but i am a feminist. I am pro choice. I do try to do my part in helping some of the many feminist causes, and to stop the hate crimes against women (and everyone). There is to much rape and murders done to women. I fight that with every chance i get. I think women are mistreated in the work place, i think women are discrimanted against to some level. I am a female, I am a fat female. Yes im fat, and im proud. I will have NO man (or anyone) judge me by the way i look, dress, speak, eat, or the way i run my life. I deserve just as much freedom, rights, and respect as anyone else. I am a women. I am a smart female. I will not let my weight, looks, opinons, beliefs, religion or anything else stand in the way from me succeding in life. I will not let anyone put me down. I will pay no attention to other peoples ignorance. I am a women, and want to be respected like a lady. No im not a non-shaving, bra burning, man hating, lesbian feminist. I am a feminist: i want people to know that women are people to. I think a women should be able to walk down the street wearing whatever she wants no matter what her size,potential, or inteligence and not be gocked at or judged by people. Women should be able to do as they want and not have there self esteem be crushed by just another ignrant person. I dont think that every male is a horroble-no good person. I know there are respectible men out there. Infact i dont blame anything on men, i blame it on society.

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Subject: nice cartoon on the front page


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Date Posted: 17:34:01 02/29/04 Sun

feminism has become a massive male-bashing crusade. it has now become perfectly commonplace to make fun of men, make speeches about how all of the evils of the world are the result of men, etc. during all this, nobody blinks an eye. your cartoon on the frontpage that "wasn't meant to offend anybody" piss on that. i was offended. and i know if that joke had been reversed and women were being made fun of there would have been a huge outcry. yet i have to sit here and see shit like that and i have to see posters advertising lectures on campus about "why men can't call themselves men" featuring films about how men have ruined the world. i know i'll never get a scholarship strictly because of my race or my sex. i do know that i can be pressed into military service though women never have to worry about that. am i out to say that men are downtrodden and oppressed? no. i'm out to say that women should worry as much about equal responsibility as equal rights and should work on building themselves up instead of tearing men down. we're not all bad, and, hate to break it to you, but not all women are good

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Subject: Should women have to register for the draft too?


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Date Posted: 22:59:36 09/28/03 Sun

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Subject: Reclaiming "choice" and feminist ideals


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Date Posted: 10:51:27 02/29/04 Sun


http://feministsforlife.org

Feminsts for Life founder Serrin Foster was kicked out of NOW in the early 70s for her pro woman/prolife opinions. These beliefs are true to the ideals of the first wave feminists and need to be incorporated back into the women's movement.

Interesting fact: It was MEN who convinced feminist activists to make abortion on demand a high priority, not women. One of the men to do this was a doctor/future abortionist who, thanks to his ex girlfriend's abortion, was able to continue his education uninterrupted.


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Because prochoice feminist leaders put abortion rights over fair adoption policies and the right to be a mother, and because women are trying to become equal by changing themselves and not society, more abortions are being done and more American women are dying now from legal abortion than there were dying from illegal abortion pre-Roe.

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Subject: WHY I’M NOT A FEMINIST: Creating real gender egalitarianism


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Date Posted: 15:40:35 01/31/03 Fri

WHY I’M NOT A FEMINIST
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By Abe Haim
In an article for a local zine entitled “Male Feminism,” the author Nick Taylor rhetorically asks “why isn’t everybody a feminist?” I have a number of reasons for not classifying myself under that “ism.” I believe in equality, so I consider myself an egalitarianist. When it comes to gender issues, I call my philosophy “gender-egalitarianism.” “But what’s the point,” you might ask, “of quibbling over semantics? Feminism is all about equality, so if you really believe in equality then why aren’t you a feminist?”
My first critique of feminism is of the word itself, and its implications. I’m a firm believer in social linguistics - That is looking at our choice in words and seeing what is embodied in our language.
Feminists have a long tradition of doing just this. For example, they examined the word “woman” and its etymology, and found that it came from a combination of “womb” and “man.” Thus there was a bias embodied in our very language that viewed women as mere reproductive units. Now many feminists use words like “wumon” in its place.
But I have yet to see a feminist take a critical look at the word “feminism” itself. S/he may well be surprised by what we find…
“Feminism” consists of two essential word parts. The first part, “femin,” is a shortening of feminine, which of course means female. The second part, “ism,” which is almost exclusively used as a suffix, means an ideology or belief system. The meaning of a given “ism” is determined by what precedes it in the word. For example, “capitalism” is an ideology based on money, or capital, while a “racist” follows an ideology based on race.
So what does it mean when you put “feminine” together with “ism?” In short, it’s a form of sexism. Feminists often use the word “sexism,” which is generally used to describe an ideology of male superiority over women. But the word really means any ideology based on sex. It can be made more specific. To describe a male based sexism, we could use the term “masculism,” while a female based sexism would be called “feminism.” So certainly “feminism” is a very poor choice of word to describe a desire for equality of the sexes.
While few people have analyzed the word quite as scientifically as I just did, many are still very disturbed by the idea of an ideology, or ism, based on one of the sexes. They simply don’t want to be a part of anything like that. Many of these same people, on the other hand, would be quite pleased with “egalitarianism,” and gladly identify with a movement that is obviously based on equality. Over the last two decades, I believe, the continued use of the word “feminism” has hurt the movement much more than any help it may have given in familiarity and continuity.
“Well, ok” you’re probably saying now, “sure, maybe ‘feminism’ isn’t the best word, but what’s really wrong with the feminist movement? It’s certainly not sexist, even if that’s what its etymology might imply.” If (hypothetically speaking) feminism was sexist, we’d expect it to at best be an ideology based entirely on the female sex, that only discusses males as victimizers, and at worst to be irrationally anti-male. And in practice, feminism has generally been the former, and all too often the latter.
Feminism began as a women’s liberation movement, so it’s female-centric ideology is certainly understandable. But for there to be a vital movement of men and women that will transform society and bring equality, we need a broader vision. Men are gonna be part of any new society we create, so its vision cannot be centered around just half of the population. This has been one of feminism’s most damaging weaknesses – its inability to come up with a positive male vision.
Feminism has also been guilty of stereotyping men and failing to appreciate the true diversity of the male population. It’s basically assumed that if you’re a heterosexual male then you must be privileged, so therefore you owe a certain debt to women. For men who actually grew up feeling accepted and privileged in their society (to later become enlightened), this makes sense to them and they gladly hop on the feminist bandwagon. But for many of us that wasn’t the case at all.
One case of this is what I call secondary sexual orientation. For example, a large minority of heterosexual males (including myself) are what’s been described as “male-lesbians.” We’re only attracted to women, and we’re not at all transsexual or transvestite. But romantically, we emotionally identify a lot more with what’s traditionally been considered feminine. We’ve long been persecuted and discriminated against, but unlike other groups, such as gays, we generally don’t have a recognized identity or support network. One might think that, given our natural inclination to egalitarian relationships and our common oppressor of sexism, that we’d be celebrated by feminists. But I have yet to hear a feminist make mention of us. We just get lumped in with the rest of “those damn hetero-males.”
Irrational anti-male sentiment, though generally far more subtle than your stereotypical rabid man-hating rant, a la SCUM Manifesto, is still quite prevalent in the feminist movement and the larger “progressive” culture. While it’s understandable that many women would have anti-male sentiments, due to the horrible things many men have done, it’s not ok to put-down men as a whole. Only those men who have actually done the horrible things. Derogatory statements about men, and/or male sexuality as a whole, are common place in feminist lectures and presentations, the lyrics of feminist music, and comments by individuals in social settings. Though these statements are often theoretically made in jest, they are none the less damaging and counterproductive. They can be especially traumatic for sensitive young men. And ironically, it’s the very men who have the most respect for women, and the strongest belief in equality, who are likely to hear feminist lectures and music. So as a thank you for our solidarity, we are unjustly insulted.
I’ve also found that irrational anti-male sentiment is often fueled more by personal romantic angst than real political grievances. Lesbians, in my experience, are far less likely to be irrationally anti-male. This is not to deny the validity of actual damaged caused by some sexist men in relationships. The angst I’m referring to is the universal kind that everyone has felt, from rejection and neglect. If hetero males were to channel this sort of rage into a political agenda, it would give “misogyny” a whole new meaning. I’ve been present on all too many occasions when a group of women who had recently been dumped was sitting around talking about how “men suck!” My reaction has always been that “it’s not men that ‘suck,’ but rather your choice in men.”
Which brings me to my last critique – empowerment vs. victimhood. While feminism is supposed to be about empowering women, it so often disempowers them by reinforcing their victim role. At one feminist lecture I attended, the speaker had the brilliant idea that women could go on strike – that is refuse do certain things for their boyfriends, husbands, bosses, etc. until they got the respect they deserved. It’s just this sort of thinking that’s needed to get beyond victimhood and take real responsibility. For example, feminists are always griping about guys who are sexist macho jerks, but last time I checked, these guys weren’t having any trouble finding dates. And just in my experience, I have personally witnessed over a dozen “feminists” go out with such men. It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in behavioral science to know that it’s not too difficult to modify a group’s behavior if you control the supply of what they want. So feminists can complain into the next century about how men aren’t respecting them, but women could change all that over night if they simply decided to never date such men.
All this said, I’m not really “anti-feminist” per se, I’m just very aware of feminism’s faults and shortcomings. The women’s empowerment movement, often under the name “feminist,” has done a lot of great things for women in recent decades. It has made women as a whole much more aware and proud of their bodies, intellect, creativity, spirituality, and sexuality.
But the same still needs to be done for men. To achieve real gender egalitarianism, new male identities need to be explored and studied. Many feminists scoff at the idea of having men’s studies departments at universities, yet this sort of thing is exactly what we need. The full range of male identities deserves serious scholarly study. And not just under the umbrella of women’s studies. Likewise, male identity needs to be freely explored in our social and activist communities, outside the confines of the movement that’s been known as feminism.
So my recommendation is that we abandon the word “feminism,” because it’s a poor word choice with embodied biases and counterproductive implications. A term like “gender-egalitarianism” is a far more accurate description of what we need in society and how it can be attained. What has been known to this point as the “feminist movement” should be replaced with women’s empowerment and men’s empowerment movements – working in solidarity as part of a larger movement for equality.

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Subject: "Why I'm not a Feminist" article defended


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Date Posted: 19:59:18 10/09/03 Thu

Hey folks -
Sorry for my tardiness in replying. I stumbled upon this website today long after forgetting my initial posting from many moons ago. I’ll proceed to give a point by point rebuttal to Ms. Stephen’s reply to my article.

>dear angry chap
>
Frivolous name calling hardly warrants a response…suffice it to say that any fair reader would find self evident the thoughtfulness and insight of my article, regardless of whether they agreed with everything in it.

>I couldn't get through all your message, it was too
>dense and intense : edit it.

Certainly, as the intelligent, well-educated, and liberated woman that you no doubt are, you wouldn’t really have any trouble getting through my fifteen hundred word essay. Though it had complex, perhaps even somewhat nuanced argument, it was written in easy to understand, everyday language…Something I can’t say of most the post-modernist crap that’s come out of “Women’s Studies” for the past couple decades. The post-modernists love to use tons of obfuscating jargon to trick their lay readers into thinking they’re smarter than them, when in reality they’re merely smearing irrational mumbo-jumbo. (But perhaps that’s not such a bad thing, ‘cause feminist epistemologists, in their infinite wisdom, have taught us that rational thought is really just an oppressive patriarchal construction.)

>But speaking as a lesbian
>feminist - I would like to assure you that plenty of
>feminists (lesbian or not) of my acquaintance do not
>heap all men into the basket of evil folk which is
>what you seem to assert.
>
As you’ll recall, my initial article asserted that lesbians generally had less hostility towards men, because of their lack of emotional involvement with them. Going into more detail though, I’d make a distinction between what I’d consider more natural lesbians (who have always been more attracted to women) and the women who are naturally more attracted to men, but went lesbian due to hostility and resentment against them. The latter group obviously would tend to still have a lot of anti-male hostility. Many in the former group have been systematically rejecting feminist, politically correct, dogma since at least the ‘90s. We can see this everywhere from the song “Neanderthal Dyke” by the band Tribe8 to the “Lipstick-Lesbian” movement.

>My sisters rather complain about the evils of the
>patriarch, about machoism, not about ALL men being
>horrid.

I’ve never been too big a fan of machismo myself, but obviously many people are. As my original article pointed out, few men would continue with the whole macho act for very long if it didn’t get them the women they wanted. But obviously many women are turned on by machismo, as are a good number of straight men (the whole “Fem-Dom” culture), and many lesbian women are turned on by macho bull-dykes a la Tribe8.

>No, we even fully acknowledge that there are
>women who are as negarive towards feminist ideas (or
>towards the equality of humanity if you prefer) as any
>man one could care to mention.
>
Wow, so you would actually consider Valerie Solanis and her “SCUM Manifesto” to be anti-feminist (because it obviously opposes gender equality)?....Most feminists I’ve known have considered it extremist , but still part of the feminist milieu. Perhaps we’re making some progress…

>However, being a man is one thing. Feeling masculin is
>sometimes another...

It’s certainly true that men can be quite different from the traditional macho role of this culture. Feminist propaganda however, more often reinforces negative stereotypes of men than it highlights the new freedoms they should have in a more liberated society.
>
>I have no idea what "feminism" you have read

I’ve read Steinem, MacKinnon, Dworkin, and Marilyn French, just to name a few.

>, but for
>all my adult life I've read so much (rejecting
>straight away and long ago that stupid scum manifesto)
>and the ideas that I have read are so refreshing.
>
Now that we’ve established that you’re indeed quite literate, would it be too much to ask why you found the time to read through those countless pages of feminist writings but didn’t have the basic courtesy to read my article in its entirety before responding?

>Imagine, a man can be gentle, sweet and prepare tea. A
>woman can be agressive and cut down trees. A man can
>be agressive and cut down trees and a woman can be
>gentle, sweet and prepare tea. Goodness what a
>revolution. who gives a damn as to who cuts down the
>trees or prepares the tea? Both are most welcome, and
>the most important thing in the world, is that the
>tree falls or the tea is served when its moment comes.
>Our problem is that at present, it's absolutely men
>who cut down trees and absolutely women who prepare
>the tea. So cutting down trees is SEEN as far more
>important than serving tea. Mens' so called funcitons
>are more important that so called womens' functions,

I assume that your argument that tree-cutting is more “valued” than tea-serving is based on the fact that loggers generally get paid a lot more than servers. You seem to overlook the fact that almost everyone (male or female) would chose serving tea over cutting down trees if the pay was the same. Unlike tea-serving, logging is a very strenuous activity, requires a fair amount of skill and training, and is quite dangerous. How many people do you know who were killed by a kettle??? The worst injury I could imagine would be a fairly minor burn if one forgot to use a potholder. I’ve actually had quite a few such mishaps over my years of frequent cooking, and it’s very safe to say that they pale in comparison to having a tree fall on you or ending up on the wrong side end of a chainsaw. The fact that men in our culture are so “privileged” as to be in the vast majority for such jobs as loggers and construction workers certainly accounts for a large part of the life expectancy gap between women and men (an average of about seven years at birth). I would consider myself very privileged if I had a liberated wife who went out and supported our family in one of those traditionally male professions while I was left at home to serve tea. For her sake though, I’d prefer she was doctor or lawyer, so that she wouldn’t have the physical stress and danger of a working class job.

>though both sexes can interchange roles without all
>our electrical circuits fusing.
>
>I had a most interesting chat recently with one of my
>favourite human beings. A French guy to whom I teach
>English, who came to see the display I had made for my
>lesbian group for International Women's day back in
>march (2003). Our stand was only one of 50 on show
>that day in the town centre of Rennes (France), but
>was the only lesbain one. He told me that he was
>unsettled to see so many varied exhibitions demanding
>equal rights for women, and gently I asked him why.
>
>Because he felt that personnally, it was a loss of
>power as far as he was concerned. Did that mean that
>he needed to feel power over women to feel whole?
>Being a feeble woman I didn't dare ask him, but I
>already had my reply.
>
>This guy is married and has a little boy and a little
>girl. doesn't he want the woman he loves, and the
>daughter he loves and is bringing up to benefit from
>all the possibilities that exist? He feels that to
>preserve male power, is more important to him than to
>assure the equal social position and opportunity of
>his wife and of his daughter, in the present and in
>the years to come.

I won’t comment on that particular exchange (since I wasn’t there and this was just your subjective impression of it and I haven’t heard his side) other than to say that I’m impressed you would still consider him one of your “favourite human beings” even though you obviously consider him sexist (perhaps for good reason).
>
>Power... what an interesting idea. and I thought to
>myself, that I haven't struggled in life to be
>respected in order to get or feel POWER, I've done it
>in order to feel FREE. and that's what women struggle
>for, to feel FREE as do men, although often men don't
>even understand the meaning of the word.
>
That’s quite a flattering self assessment of yours – to say you’ve never wanted power. It also seems rather presumptive of you to declare that the women’s movement isn’t about power. Many feminists will readily admit that they’re fighting for their rightful share of power in the world.

As for men not understanding freedom, that’s simply preposterous. I would feel very free if I was a house-husband and never had to work a paying job for a hierarchical corporation or government or non-profit agency. This is a choice that many more women than men have.

>It's a pity to think that even some gentle and men
>need to feel superior to others (why not to women
>while we're about it) in order to feel complete.
>
It’s all good and fine to critique hierarchy, and anarchists and anti-authoritarians do an excellent job of this. What isn’t so good and fine is to label this “patriarchy” and blame it on men. Coersion and domination are bad whether men or women are doing it (and believe me, women can be just as dominating as men). So why do feminists feel the need to further counterproductive stereotypes about men?

>For fuck's sake, we are all human beings, good at some
>things and bad at others, and all our efforts to make
>the world a better place, that's feminism for me and
>for many other people, and sorry if that word mentions
>women for once, the value of women has only just
>started to be heard, and already that hurts sensitive
>souls...

“Feminism” is more than just a word, it’s a movement to transform society (and, like I pointed out in my article, a society in which we’ll all have to live). The etymology of the word in not just an indictment against the word itself, but helps demonstrate the innate gyno-centrism of the overall movement. “Two wrongs don’t make a right,” “an eye for an eye will live the whole world blind,” pick your cliché. The point is that past injustice against women does not justify present injustice against men. Feminists who are truly committed to equality and justice should give up the word “feminism” for “egalitarianism.” In building a world that’s more equal and free, that’s liberated from constraining gender roles, we must be neither male-centered nor female-centered in our approach – neither masculist nor feminist. The concerns of men and women must be given equal consideration in this quest for liberty. Only then can anyone truly be free.

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Yeah, feminism i'm all for it. i'm a man btw. And yeah, the thing that attracted me to feminism is that seriously, go on a date with a feminist and you won't have to pay for her dinner and be a fuckin gentlemen right?? Yeah, chilvary is irrelevant. And i can't believe people are still believeing in it. Women need level playing fields no doubt. But its gonna be hard, just look at ads, most women are bikini models or porn stars as potrayed in the media.......and yeah, its hard for me to get attached though, most females expect equal treatment but don't expect the responsibilities that come with it.....that's plain immaturity,

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Subject: Did women really gain anything?


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I was born in 1956 and kind of grew up in the middle of all the war for womens rights. I now have three daughters and wonder what we really gave them. We were supposed to be giving ourselves the right to work in the world on the same level as men instead we gained the right to work at a lower pay scale doing twice the work. We gave ourselves the right to be treated poorly by men while we pay our own way. At least in the good old days he opened the for me and bought my dinner, perhaps even took me to a nice movie or show before he expected me to put out. Now they expect us to pay for all those things ourself and put out. If we actually get to eat or see anything other than a bed we found a good date.Then what about marriage? Remember when a wife stayed at home and raised the children and took care of the house? Today we gave our self the right to work a job, clean our houses and take care of our families all at the same time. Woe be unto the woman who beleives she should stay at home longer than six weeks when her child is born. She may lose her job in the long run, if her husband doesn't not so gently remind her that it's not his responsibity to support the family on his own.What happened to the men who thought they were supposed to be Men and provide for thier families? I guess we gave them the right to never grow up. Now we get to be thier mommies, wives and monetary support system. I'm not so sure womens rights actually gave us too many rights that we might really want.

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I was born in 1956 and kind of grew up in the middle of all the war for womens rights. I now have three daughters and wonder what we really gave them. We were supposed to be giving ourselves the right to work in the world on the same level as men instead we gained the right to work at a lower pay scale doing twice the work. We gave ourselves the right to be treated poorly by men while we pay our own way. At least in the good old days he opened the for me and bought my dinner, perhaps even took me to a nice movie or show before he expected me to put out. Now they expect us to pay for all those things ourself and put out. If we actually get to eat or see anything other than a bed we found a good date.then what about marriage? Remember when a wife stayed at home and raised the children and took care of the house? Today we gave our self the right to work a job, clean our houses and take care of our families all at the same time. Woe be unto the woman who beleives she should stay at home longer than six weeks when her child is born she may lose her job in the long run if her husband doesn't not so gently remind her that it's not his responsibity to support the family on his own.what happened to the men who thought they were supposed to be Men and provide for thier family's? I ghuess we gave them the right to never grow up. Now we get to be thier mommies, wives and monetary support system. I'm not so sure womens rights actually gave us too many rights that we might really want.

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Feminism isn't an easy thing to be involved in...first of all, there are so many stereotypes out there, you get called a man-hater or dyke when hate and sexual orientation have nothing to do with it. And every day you are bombarded with so much sexism in the media. . .even now, after years of struggle, the best we can do for our daughters is some Barbie website where they learn how to shop and pick out stylish outfits. We are rewarded with Spice Girls and a president who can't keep his zipper up. As a feminist you face disapointment every day.
Maybe the hardest thing about feminism is the true practice. You're with your good friends, maybe some are guys, maybe one makes a sexist comment and everyone laughs. What do you do? You like this guy, you like these people. Maybe you laugh along, try to ignore it...it can be hard not to. Not everyone understands the need for equality. They think things are fine the way they are.
What we really need to do is teach people about feminism and sexism. Feminism is not a cult where lesbianism and bra-burning and man-hating are required. Feminism is also not being trapped into a system that makes us automaticly love shopping and talking on the phone and wearing fashionable clothes and hate sports and cry at the drop of the hat...feminism gives us a choice of who we want to be. Feminists can be strong or shy or fat or skinny or gay or straight...feminism is true equality between men and women, and trying to tear down stereotypes, as well as any barrier that keeps grrls from reaching their true potential.
Feminism can be hard to practice but it can also make you think. I'm a feminist because I want to be recognized not just as a woman, but as a person.

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Date Posted: 05:30:18 02/18/03 Tue

last time, i was arguing with my uncle about women's right. his answer was: "you women, did not have a right for an education in the past. now u do. u are even getting more educated than men. u did not have the right to vote or to drive. now u do. u got all ur rights. what are u still arguing about?". i don't believe someone could be that naive or that blind. all these things that he named are but 20% of what we should have. these are things that are on the surface. but what about the inner deep things: the psychological status and upbringing of girls. i once read a book. i can';t go into it now. it's a long issue. but one thing is for sure. the gender war is not over yet. not until the "double standard of sexual behavior" is eliminated from all societies. not until housework(cleaning, cooking,...) ceases to be a woman's role in marriage and starts to be viewed as equal reponsibility for both the man and the woman. not until the gap between a prostitute and a wife or daughter is eliminated. until those things are achieved, we are still in war with this society.
i am not a feminist. i read a book on feminism. it had a lot of rubbish ideas. "women should not renounce their biology in the name of liberation". but i do believe that we need an organization similar to feminism but more moderate.

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Subject: feminism


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Lisa Harrison
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Date Posted: 02:54:14 01/20/03 Mon

Feminism- A way of life devoted to promoting the positive interests of women.

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Subject: Feminism


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Ana Gamboa
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Date Posted: 02:48:46 01/20/03 Mon


feminism is the theory of political, economic and social equality amoungst genders. in other words, it is the dismantling of patriarchy.
as a feminist activist, feminism to me is not only a mere theory, but it is also an ACTION. an ACTION to challenge social conventions that reinforce the evil institutions of patriarchy. either through writing letters, articles, attending conferences, going to protests or just merely talking about it to people around you.. these actions have brought on, and will continue to bring about social change.

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Subject: Feminism


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Amanda
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Date Posted: 02:46:49 01/20/03 Mon


To me, feminism is basiclly taking action to gain equal rights between the genders, and saying "i will not let males control me". It also appears to be a gateway, into all other branches of activism. That's just my personal view.

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Subject: Feminism


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D
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Date Posted: 02:45:22 01/20/03 Mon

It is beyond absurd that any living group-- male, female, or otherwise-- should be dominated by or competed with by another. Life is too short for something as unproductive as inequality. Any woman feeling put down by the masses should switch and instantly become the aggressor. No matter what society tells us, everyone is entitled to a piece of the pie. An old native American maxim tells us "the secret to being happy is to simply be happy."

Be equal.

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Subject: Feminiam


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Jade
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Date Posted: 02:44:19 01/20/03 Mon

Feminism seems to be such a taboo word. It turns people off, and makes people thing of us feminists as man-haters, non-shavers and bra burners. Feminism now, in the new millennium, is much different. This is what I had to teach my exboyfriend.

When I first told Jake (that's what we'll call him) I was a feminist he was curious as to why I was so interested in women's rights and activism. It threw us into this whole, deep conversation that lasted us at least through our whole ten month relationship. He was so confused by it, and it was actually quite sad that he had never been exposed to women who were as bold as I. My whole family is built completely by strong women and big hearts. My family has taught me to accept people, but to fight for myself.

Jake did not know how to handle my feelings on how women were still not treated as equal, and if he had read into it, he would know that. Two generations behind me, and me coming to the front as the third had to teach someone about what being a feminist really is! So here began my ten month JOB. I still talk with Jake and he understands now, after I've spent hours trying to teach him. He accepts it because there's nothing else he can do! He's friends with this other girl, and she lets him boss her around. He knows it's wrong, but he experiments. Or maybe he doesn't. Maybe he just wants to have a weakling girlfriend to make him feel so much more superior. Maybe Jake's learned enough that some time he'll tell her about me, and how strong I was in our relationship. And she'll give a different outlook on how she should let people treat her. I hope.

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Subject: feminism


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tara
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Date Posted: 02:41:28 01/20/03 Mon

for me, becoming a feminist was a natural progression. in elementary school, i was a classic "teacher's pet." i didn't have too many friends, but wasn't upset because i won the approval of various adults (my parents and teachers) through my grades. then, my body started developing before other girls my age. tired of being nerdy, i became hypersexualized in defiance of my previous role. for a time, i enjoyed playing the passive, always-ready-to-fuck girl. i still earned the grades, but now i was also winning approval from men through sex and flirtation. after playing that game for awhile, i became sick of it. i wasn't finding any emotional or intellectual satisfaction from those short-lived relationships, and realized i wasn't even really attracted to boys. so it was around this time that i started calling myself a feminist. there was no sudden revelation, but more of a realization that i was the one being shit on in these relationships. from then on, learning and reading about feminism has made me a more confident, powerful woman, and the rest is history (or herstory). all the time, i find more and more reasons why i love being a feminist.

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Subject: Feminism


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Nora
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Date Posted: 02:35:02 01/20/03 Mon

I was born in 1957, and my father 'disappeared' before I was three. My mother moved back in with her parents, and then went back to work for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I never met my father, and my mother never said anything terrible about him to me, in case I ever had a chance to meet and know him. My mother is classy.
She grew up during the Depression and World War II, and was the older sister of three brothers. Her father became a cop, because that's the work he could find and do when there was nothing else with any security.
When I was a child, there was no Affirmative Action, and no great opportunities for women, but my mother was smart and went to work every day, and learned to fight for herself.
She was always a feminist, as was her mother, and though Mom had only a high school education, by the time she retired, she was the Assistant Registrar for Vital Statistics for the Commonwealth. She had survived the times when a man was promoted because 'he had a family.' She had watched several Registrars with political ambitions pass by her with their PhDs on their way up. Indeed, she was the one constant in that office, and saw to the training of each of them in turn.
She and my grandmother raised me to be a feminist, and even my grandfather wanted me to continue to see my way clear to fight for the rights of women, and anyone else who was in any way disenfranchised. It made my 'coming out' much easier when the time came for me to live as a lesbian. I am one of the lucky ones; my family supports me.
Affirmative Action is gone now, and it shouldn't be. Some of my mother's later triumphs were thanks to the more level playing field Affirmative Action created, and as long as there is any kind of glass ceiling for women or minorities, Affirmative Action is necessary.
Once equality is reached, and no sooner, should advantages be taken from those so dramatically disadvantaged.

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