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Date Posted: 31/10/04 21:44:02
Author: LesB
Subject: Re: alan rand anyone remember him
In reply to: John Cooper 's message, "Re: alan rand anyone remember him" on 29/10/04 19:59:59

John has asked if I can be of assistance regarding this Canberra crash. I'm sorry, but cannot tell you anything about Alan Rand as I do not have access to personnel records. I can say however that there was no Canberra crash in Germany on the date you give, (2 Feb 1958). In fact, only three aircraft are recorded for Germany within 18 months or so of that date; one on 4 March 1959, one on 30 Dec 1959 and one on 8 Sept 1959. I can say that the 8 Sept '59 crash is not the one you seek as I have the navigator's name for that one and it is not Alan Rand. The nearset earlier Canberra crash was 24 Sept 1955.

It occurrs to me that Alan may have been in a Canberra but in another part of the world at the time of the incident but BASED in Germany (flying on detachment, etc). Could this be so? Could you, via this board (or privately to John), confirm the date and the aircraft type. If you know that it was a Canberra, do you know the squadron Alan was on at the time he flew in them. Unfortunately unless there is someone out there who actually knew Alan Rand, tracing his circumstances via aircraft type etc really requires a bit more detail to be given.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

Les Bywaters.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: alan rand anyone remember him -- John Cooper, 2/11/04 10:28:50

Thanks for the info Les.

If anyone has a similar request and you know the exact date, place of accident and the type/index number of the aircraft the RAF Museum will give the details of the aircraft accident, the address is

The Archivist
Royal Air Force Museum,
Grahame Park Way,
London NW9 5LL

Generally there is no charge for this service, however I find a large SAE useful and if you are of the mind a small donation always helps regarding a speedy reply.

If you are requesting information regarding the loss of life of a relative whilst in service please go into a search engine and type in 'The Ministry of Defence UK' and follow the instructions for the branch of service you require.

Both of the above require specific details, without them they are unlikely to help you.


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[> [> [> [> [> Re: alan rand anyone remember him -- bridie, 7/11/04 19:53:45

john & les im not very good at this am i? i got arignal documents and nothing adds up but alan rand did die 20 feb 1958 mod letter says his plane was a canberra but when i looked on the net his squadron 20 flew jags im even more confused now his death cert in gescher his body buried in germany kids & wife in buckinghamshire. help someone is there a cover up somewhere was it possible he was on some kind of secret mission himself. and one last puzzle his wife viewed the body my uncle said she had remarked that he looked as if he was just sleeping, is this possible his plane disintergrated at 300 feet doing a speed of 300 knots


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: alan rand anyone remember him -- John Cooper, 8/11/04 19:24:34

Bridie

Facts are that Alan Rand died in a Canberra accident in Germany on 20th February 1958, you say the tail came off (that could suggest airframe fatigue or a mid air collision). You also say that the aircraft disintegrated at 300' at a speed of 300 knots, where did you obtain this information?

In 1958 the Sepcat Jaguar had not been anywhere near entering RAF service in fact to my knowledge it wasn't even on the drawing board at this time.

May I suggest that whoever is the next-of-kin of Alan Rand immediately draft a letter to

The Air Historical Branch (RAF)
RAF Bentley Priory
Middlesex

Stating Alan Rand's service number, his rank at the time, his date of birth and the date he died. The AHB must by law retain details of his death whilst in service and that an accident record card will exist.

That is the only way you are going to resolve your Uncles tragic loss.

Let us know how you get on

Best wishes
John


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