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Date Posted: 17:58:49 06/28/04 Mon
In reply to:
Vince
's message, "Donald's older view on 144,000?" on 11:58:39 06/28/04 Mon
Donald
You say:-
“Again, I wanted to emphasize what I had in common with the anti-Witnesses on Reachout at the time, and I now think that I unwisely went to far in appeasing them by saying that I agreed that the 144 000 is not literal. I think that the number is literal. And it should also be noted that even those few who think that this belief will be revised do not any of them consider the issue so important as to spread divisions among Jehovah's Witnesses."
Emphasize what you had in common with anti-Witnesses!!
So there are things that you do agree with that “anti-Witnesses say” I’m sure your beloved WT organisation would love to hear you say that.
“Went to far in appeasing them” Oh Please Donald pull the other one. JW’s do not try to appease their opponents.
Of course those who think as you do on the 144,000 aren’t going to “spread divisions among Jehovah’s Witnesses” because as soon as they expressed any such thoughts they would be out. Which is the reason why you will not admit what you clearly stated as Vince says you posted on another forum.
Have you had a run in with the Elders over this and now trying to back track on what you did say. Reading your posts they lack a sense of belief in what you are saying. Its become a case of not wanting to be proved wrong, when you know you are. You are trying to convince yourself that you haven’t made the wrong decision by becoming a JW.
It is quite obvious what you said about the 144,000 in the posting below. Now you a wriggling like a fish on a hook trying to get out of it.
“Oh I didn’t mean that, I meant this”
What are you learning to be at university, a politician!
By Ruler of the World, Israels on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 02:44 pm:
Gordon,
You have understood me correctly. I do not believe that the 144 000 is a literal number
for the following reasons 1) Numbers are almost always symbolic in Revelation 2) The fact
is that if the 12 000 from each of the tribes is symbollic, then so must the 144 000 - 12
times a symbollic 12 000 surely equals a symbollic 144 000, not a literal 144 000 3) Paul
in Galatians, quoting Isaiah, tells us that those in the new covenant will be more numerous
than the Jews. This means that in the first century there were certainly more than 144 000
annointed Christians. Although the answer in the Watchtower to this particular point is at
least possible when they say that Jesus was the only true son of the old covenant, being
the only one who observed it perfectly. 4) The accounts in Acts and history strongly suggests
that there were far more than 144 000 Christians in the first century.
However, the Bible does indicate that there are a set number of annointed in places such as
Romans 11:26 which talks about "until the full number of the Gentiles has come in." Besides
which is the clear indications that some will live in heaven and others as their subject
on earth. So I believe that there is a limited number of annointed, but that the number
is in excess of 144 000.
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