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Date Posted: 10:30:13 04/09/03 Wed
Author: KSMoTO
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 62.139.24.219
Subject: Re: well no...
In reply to: Khronos 's message, "Re: well no..." on 09:13:20 04/09/03 Wed

>You know I'm willing to believe that American
>imperialism is doing a lot of harm in the world and
>that it should be questioned by not only by the world
>community but also by Americans in general. But see
>the thing is if you are going to crack on the US for
>wrong doing you also have to be willing to oppose
>oppression and wrong doing where ever it may be.
>That's a lot of my problem with "Bush Doctrine".
>We're great guns about fighting terrorism and evil
>regimes when it suits our national interests, but when
>it comes to oppression and wrong doing that isn't in
>our interests to do so, or when it is our supposed
>"friends" doing the oppression, then all of the sudden
>we are willing to turn a blind eye to the problem.
>That's wrong. If we are going to stand up for right
>in the world and promote democracy and capitalism
>because it is in all of our best interests as human
>beings (and I believe it is), then we have to do it
>across the board. Even when there isn't a direct
>benefit for our interests. I'd support Bush 100% if I
>thought he would do this. As it is he has me by about
>%60 (and our next election will dictate whether or not
>he gets my vote by who runs against him and the issues
>the candidates run on).

i didn't say that...i said..."all conflicts which are based on race/gender/religion etc..i'm against it to the grave.."
and i say that if what dammitboy said was all true stuff then it should be dealt with...it is the WAY the U.S. handled the Iraqi war that aroused so much criticism...(bypassing UN is what i mean)

>when it is our supposed
>"friends" doing the oppression, then all of the sudden
>we are willing to turn a blind eye to the problem.

gee..like the Israeli issue for instance??!!
i hope all americans were like you..willing to admit that they are sometimes wrong..

>So now we are hearing a lot of international criticism
>of the US. I think a lot of it has merit. But the
>problem is a lot of it is also politically motivated.
>European interests (in addition to practically every
>other world interest) fear an American hegemony.
>Because of that they oppose us not because they feel
>there is no merit to the case being made, but rather
>because they don't want the US to always get our way.
>That's bullshit. If we're wrong, then fine, I'm
>backing that all the way. But if we're right and
>others just don't like having to agree with us then
>they need to get over it or learn to live with it.
>There is a bunch of shit going on in the world.
>Especially in third world countries like in Africa,
>the Middle East, Asia, and South America. Hatred,
>bigotry, evil. Whether you want to admit it or not
>the US gets a lot of things right. North America
>should be a model for how the world could be if only
>people would put aside their hatred, bigorty, and
>petty politicking. In the US alone you have a
>population of 300 million that lives, works, and
>interacts together as one nation. A nation that
>utilizes better than any other the economic capacity
>of the entire population for the betterment of us all.
> In America we have fat poor people. The US isn't
>perfect, but there is no reason the economic model
>that exists here could not exist around the globe.
>The reason it does not is all the aformentioned
>pettiness. America is not alone in enjoying this
>hightened state of living, but economically speaking
>we are above the other G8 nations of the world, and
>that is a direct result of our economic system (and
>the fact that we have had the relative freedom to
>pursue it in earnest).

you are right..

>For the life of me I can't help but wonder if the
>world wouldn't be a better place if the US just didn't
>declare that we were going to set up the United States
>of the Earth?

so does all sane people in the world...

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