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Date Posted: 21:46:01 08/12/05 Fri
Author: 93curr
Author Host/IP: 65.92.99.240
Subject: here's how I see it
In reply to:
Christian
's message, "Re-watching some episodes of season 7 and it still doesn't make sense." on 21:04:12 08/12/05 Fri
Buffy's current (post-mortem) existence is the only thing allowing the First to actively attack the potentials. killing Faith would, in fact, activate another potential. which explains the attack in the prison. but killing Buffy would set the system back to where it was, so no one on the evil side wants to do that. not until after the devouring from within begins, anyway.
Faith did complain to Willow about not getting a heads up, and Will did acknowledge that they should have, but everyone just kinda wanted to forget about her. rude, but pretty much everyone in season seven were in a state of shell shock and had their own issues to worry about. self-involved much? sure.
the slayer line runs through Faith, but we don't know that it ONLY runs through Faith. and the scooby gang CERTAINLY doesn't know for sure. it's kinda odd that no one asked if another potential was activated at the end of s5, but there's a whole lot about that summer that the writers didn't want us to worry about, so I let it go.
I thought having Faith tell her "you're not the one and only chosen anymore" was just her showing that she was one of the team. if anyone else had said it, it would have been weird. putting those words in Faith's dialogue made the metaphor about her personality change. (hey, the world would never have been saved were it not for Buffy's faith in Angel in the first place. Buffy's "plan" was a disaster that just resulted in a heaping helping of dead slayers). were it not for Buffy's long term faith causing Angel to have faith in Faith, she wouldn't even be there (and CERTAINLY wouldn't have put herself in prison). everybody at the end was supporting Buffy. Faith just wanted to join in. she'd never been part of a team before. plus, this was hardly the time for exposition regarding the slayer line (especially since Willow just wreaked havoc with it).
replicate the scythe? I'm sure Willow could do it, if asked.
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Wow, I SO Loved your post and it put a smile on my face! Thank you! -- Christian, 23:07:38 08/12/05 Fri [1] (209.240.205.62)
Please have a great, safe and wonderful weekend!
Wow you floored me with your post!
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Re: here's how I see it -- silveragent, 01:37:30 08/13/05 Sat [1] (63.199.111.93)
What exactly about Buffy "allowed" the First Evil to attack the Potentials? That doesn't make sense since the last time we'd seen it Buffy didn't defeat it, really. She just convinced Angel not to commit suicide. Other than that, not much.
Instead we get time after time the First Evil telling it's henchmen to leave Buffy alone. Not to kill her. Spike under whatever whammy, the Ubervamp, even Caleb. CALEB has her alone and unconcious and just ... leaves her there. Why?
The vulnerability probably was originally intended to be ... BUFFY and the FE planned to possess her ala Caleb. This explains Spike's role (the corrupter/tempter, however uncomprehending) that the FE planned out, and a lot of other stuff that plot-wise doesn't make sense. The menace being ...
Buffy herself as a sort of Glory powered figure all the time, imagine what she'd do with the FE's power if ordinary Caleb could beat her fully powered. That seemed to be the "threat" any way.
I imagine at some point ME just dropped evil Buffy, or the threat of it, for a variety of reasons. Repetitive and not very indicative of good writing? Yeah but ME milked "good guys go bad" over and over and over again. Faith, Connor, Willow, Angel, Spike (sort of), Wes (sort of), X-Fred, Jonathon/Andrew (sort of), Amy, and I've probably forgotten a few.
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I got the same impression -- Eurydice, 07:50:25 08/13/05 Sat [1] (151.203.53.182)
Especially with the bit about FE wanting to become corporeal. I kind of thought that it would be an extension of season 6, with Buffy having discovered her darker self, then thinking she'd defeated it, and then Dark Buffy coming back as the actual tangible threat. But Dark Buffy stayed a metaphor and went away with a single "Boo!"
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Yup the symbolic blood letting boggles my mind -- Ramses 2, 11:00:27 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
I can't even wank it as First Buffy as Buffy(METAPHOR!) needed to believe Spike was different and that Jonathon was just the almost faceless kid she just kept having to save until she was fed up with the saving.....toss in the pig and the symbolic bloodletting is a mess on so many different levels:)
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Oh, shoot! Eurydice this is a response for further down -- Ramses 2, 11:01:48 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
My bad.
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Actaully it was a single, "Get out of my face!" -- Ramses 2, 09:13:40 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
Dark Buffy was a hamfisted metaphor.....then again, there are still a huge number of people who instist seasons 6 & 7 were metaphorless.
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Ah, a subtle but important distinction. ;-) -- Eurydice, 09:53:06 08/13/05 Sat [1] (151.203.53.182)
You know, some of my favorite books have crappy writing and clumsy plotting, but really interesting ideas. And if I hadn't been spoiled by years of excellent ME writing, I'd have loved season 7. Practically every episode had something kind of cool going on in it which sparked my imagination - but once you start expecting continuity and follow-through...well...
And I still can't get my head wrapped around the blood-letting thingy. Jonathan was anemic, so it wasn't just blood that opened the seal, it was the level of red blood cells. But evidently old packaged pig's blood was ok, as was really old rat's blood from a dead vampire's circulatory system which couldn't keep any cells alive in the first place, not to mention Andrew's drippy snivels. And then, there are the carved-in symbols - with Spike, there had to be symbls, why? And if we've got symbols on Spike and symbols on Andrew's ceremonial pig sticker, then what are the odds that they're the same symbols but the Scoobys are too stupid to make the connection? Hmmmm, forget I asked that question...
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ExactlyEurydice I think the reason most complain about season 6-7 -- Christian, 13:12:57 08/13/05 Sat [1] (209.240.205.62)
Because seasons 1-5 was nothing short of brilliance! (well for me anyway). Although some found season 4 not so. Although as Ramses 2 stated that in second viewing season 4 isn't that bad. It was the villian Adam that wasn't that interesting.
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