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Date Posted: 01:37:30 08/13/05 Sat
Author: silveragent
Author Host/IP: 63.199.111.93
Subject: Re: here's how I see it
In reply to:
93curr
's message, "here's how I see it" on 21:46:01 08/12/05 Fri
What exactly about Buffy "allowed" the First Evil to attack the Potentials? That doesn't make sense since the last time we'd seen it Buffy didn't defeat it, really. She just convinced Angel not to commit suicide. Other than that, not much.
Instead we get time after time the First Evil telling it's henchmen to leave Buffy alone. Not to kill her. Spike under whatever whammy, the Ubervamp, even Caleb. CALEB has her alone and unconcious and just ... leaves her there. Why?
The vulnerability probably was originally intended to be ... BUFFY and the FE planned to possess her ala Caleb. This explains Spike's role (the corrupter/tempter, however uncomprehending) that the FE planned out, and a lot of other stuff that plot-wise doesn't make sense. The menace being ...
Buffy herself as a sort of Glory powered figure all the time, imagine what she'd do with the FE's power if ordinary Caleb could beat her fully powered. That seemed to be the "threat" any way.
I imagine at some point ME just dropped evil Buffy, or the threat of it, for a variety of reasons. Repetitive and not very indicative of good writing? Yeah but ME milked "good guys go bad" over and over and over again. Faith, Connor, Willow, Angel, Spike (sort of), Wes (sort of), X-Fred, Jonathon/Andrew (sort of), Amy, and I've probably forgotten a few.
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I got the same impression -- Eurydice, 07:50:25 08/13/05 Sat [1] (151.203.53.182)
Especially with the bit about FE wanting to become corporeal. I kind of thought that it would be an extension of season 6, with Buffy having discovered her darker self, then thinking she'd defeated it, and then Dark Buffy coming back as the actual tangible threat. But Dark Buffy stayed a metaphor and went away with a single "Boo!"
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Yup the symbolic blood letting boggles my mind -- Ramses 2, 11:00:27 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
I can't even wank it as First Buffy as Buffy(METAPHOR!) needed to believe Spike was different and that Jonathon was just the almost faceless kid she just kept having to save until she was fed up with the saving.....toss in the pig and the symbolic bloodletting is a mess on so many different levels:)
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Oh, shoot! Eurydice this is a response for further down -- Ramses 2, 11:01:48 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
My bad.
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Actaully it was a single, "Get out of my face!" -- Ramses 2, 09:13:40 08/13/05 Sat [1] (69.242.120.180)
Dark Buffy was a hamfisted metaphor.....then again, there are still a huge number of people who instist seasons 6 & 7 were metaphorless.
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Ah, a subtle but important distinction. ;-) -- Eurydice, 09:53:06 08/13/05 Sat [1] (151.203.53.182)
You know, some of my favorite books have crappy writing and clumsy plotting, but really interesting ideas. And if I hadn't been spoiled by years of excellent ME writing, I'd have loved season 7. Practically every episode had something kind of cool going on in it which sparked my imagination - but once you start expecting continuity and follow-through...well...
And I still can't get my head wrapped around the blood-letting thingy. Jonathan was anemic, so it wasn't just blood that opened the seal, it was the level of red blood cells. But evidently old packaged pig's blood was ok, as was really old rat's blood from a dead vampire's circulatory system which couldn't keep any cells alive in the first place, not to mention Andrew's drippy snivels. And then, there are the carved-in symbols - with Spike, there had to be symbls, why? And if we've got symbols on Spike and symbols on Andrew's ceremonial pig sticker, then what are the odds that they're the same symbols but the Scoobys are too stupid to make the connection? Hmmmm, forget I asked that question...
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ExactlyEurydice I think the reason most complain about season 6-7 -- Christian, 13:12:57 08/13/05 Sat [1] (209.240.205.62)
Because seasons 1-5 was nothing short of brilliance! (well for me anyway). Although some found season 4 not so. Although as Ramses 2 stated that in second viewing season 4 isn't that bad. It was the villian Adam that wasn't that interesting.
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