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[> [> [> Sorry, no..... -- Lij, Monday, April 11, 11:19:45pm (kntpin04-nas-01-s145.cinergycom.net/216.135.24.145)


I cook with milk (which I do not drink) so rarely that I use a nonfat dry milk and reconstitute it. I usually make the milk a bit on the concentrated side though so that helps. A little corn oil and a touch of sugar though and the cornbread tastes smooth and sweet. And best when it is hot.

Grape juice isn't the same because (I do not think) Europe grows the grapes we do. American grape juice is made with a descendant of a wild grape found in America - the Concord grape - and it tastes great as fresh juice (no sugar added). On the other hand our American grape varieties generally make for a lousy wine - even the hybrid varieties they have developed for wine. To my taste all the American white wines taste too acidic (no matter how long they sit in an oak cask) and I much prefer a cheap $7 Alsatian Pinot Blanc to even the 'best' of the Americans.

Though there is one old red grape that has been planted in America for over a century and a half called Norton, which produces a good dry, full-bodied red wine. My great-great grandfather used to produce wine from it and several other European immigrants here, but Prohibition killed off the vineyards here. The vine did last in Missouri though and vineyards around Hermann, Missouri, still produce wine from Norton. There is also a muscadine grape called scuppernong from which some make wine in the hot parts of southeastern US. But I've never had it - and I'm not sure I want to!


BTW.... when they took some American grapes back to France it introduced a 'louse' or was it a fungus into the country that started killing off all the old grapevines via the roots. They had to start cultivating American grapes to produce a resistant root-stock to the louse/fungus on which they then grafted the various European grape varieties. Not sure if they are still doing that now, but all the European grape stock sold here is grafted on a new hybrid American root-stock.

Reminds me, now that mushroom season is almost upon us here, that when I first walked this woods with my father about 40 years ago that we had some of the biggest grape vines I have ever seen. at the base they were up to 15- 18 inches in diameter. And they were attached to trees and hanging free from them (their original tree seemed to have died and fallen) but you could see that they were grasping onto limbs high in the canopy 100 feet up, just to get some sun. We cut them all down though to help with the tree growth. I know we still have some old vines over on our river farm though.

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