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Date Posted: Friday, February 01, 03:53:42am
Author: Lij
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Subject: And this is me correcting it.......
In reply to: Lij 's message, "Just me using the board for some personal storage." on Friday, February 01, 03:30:33am

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The family story my mother told me goes something like this.

1 - Marie Catherine Josephe Boulanger left her home and became a maid in the DeBuisseret household in Paris.

2 - Catherine and Camille Eugene Oswald Engleber de Buisseret fell in love but his father forbade the marriage.

3 - Camille Eugene de Buisseret had studied law at La Sorbonne.

4 - Camille's father died and...

5 - After his father's death, Camille oversaw the disposition of the inheritance and made sure his two sisters were thus taken care of.

6 - Camille and Catherine were married.

7 - Something unseemly happened - speculation runs from simply the marriage that his relatives would not acknowledge or that he fought a duel.

8 - Maurice de St Palais, Bishop of Vincennes, Indiana, had been in Paris and convinced Camille Eugene DeBuisseret to relocate to Vincennes - and Camille Eugene DeBuisseret and Catherine Boulanger were on the same steamship out of Le Havre the Bishop returned to America.
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So let's examine what happens if you consider Camille August Oswald ENGLEBERT to be our Camille Eugene Oswald Englebert de BUISSERET:

1 - Catherine Boulanger left her home and became a maid in the ENGLEBERT household in Glimes.

2 - Catherine and Camille ENGLEBERT fell in love but his father forbade the marriage. Likely true!

3 - Camille ENGLEBERT had studied law at Leuven (Louvain) or Liege. Back in the 1980s I was living in OKC and an acquaintance from the Mormon Family History Library there took my information to people at La Sorbonne and they researched old records to see if he (under the name Buisseret or Englebert) did attend La Sorbonne about 1835 to 1852. None was found.

4 - Camille's father died.... True, for Camille ENGLEBERT: the father of Camille ENGLEBERT, Francois Joseph Auguste ENGLEBERT, died on 2 May 1853.

5 - After his father's death, Camille oversaw the disposition of the inheritance and made sure his two sisters were thus taken care of. True for Camille ENGLEBERT. That Camille created a notorial act dated 24 Apr 1853 which distributed his mother's inheritance to he and his sisters (Pauline & Hortense, who was married to a Godefroid). Their mother had died earlier in 1827. The date for that notorial was about a week earlier than the death of Camille Englebert's father, and would seem to be in anticipation of that death. Perhaps his father was gravely ill. So this is mostly true for Camille ENGLEBERT.

6 - Camille and Catherine were married. There is a notation in the parish register of Bonlez by the baptismal record of Marie Catherine Josephe BOULANGER stating that she married "Camille Buisseret" in 1853. That is all it says. When the notation was made is unknown. It could have been that the marriage between Catherine BOULANGER and Camille ENGLEBERT was performed in Belgium in 1853 and at some later date Camille reported the marriage to Bonlez? This is unknown but, of course, the marriage record is that record which is most sought after at this time. But if I have to fit this fact into the narrative then I would consider that their marriage occurred somewhere in Belgium in 1853 and then self-reported later to be most probable.

7 - Something unseemly happened - speculation runs from simply the marriage that his relatives would not acknowledge or that he fought a duel. For Camille ENGLEBERT this appears to be the court case that resulted from the notorial act of 24 Apr 1853 which he arranged. That act resulted in a trial of fraud against Godefroid (husband of Hortense Englebert) and Pauline Englebert (and possibly Camille Englebert?). The result of which by a writ dated 16 Nov 1855 from the court in Nivelles decreed that the notorial act of 24 Apr 1853 null & void. A further court case in a higher court in Brussels mentions that Pauline Englebert is in negotiations to settle that case but Godefroid seeks relief from the Brussels court to have evidence presented which the Nivelles court did not allow. Godefroid won that case on 12 Aug 1856, and it is supposed he got another hearing in the court at Nivelles.

These ongoing court cases may be one reason why Camille Auguste Oswald ENGLEBERT would have changed his name to our known Camille Eugene Oswald Englebert de BUISSERET in Knox County, Indiana, and thus "the untoward thing." In land and court records in Indiana our ancestor mostly uses the name Eugene (or just "E") de Buisseret which is completely different than the Belgian's name. Further he always identifies in these early records as being from France (same goes for the census except the 1870 census which names his country or origin as Belgium). Despite all this the name used for him which was passed down in the families was Camille. Further, his signet ring (in the possession of John Ostendorf) has the initials C E on it. If this means Camille Englebert, then did he change his second name to Eugene in order to explain the "E" on the ring? But then why change his surname to DeBuisseret?

Finally, the birthdates of each are 'similar.' Camille Englebert was born 15 Jul 1822. The tombstone of Camille Eugene de Buisseret records his birth as 18 Jul 1823. These dates are sufficiently close, especially since it was likely his son or daughters who recalled his birthdate.

8 - Maurice de St Palais, Bishop of Vincennes, Indiana, was in Paris and convinced Camille Eugene de Buisseret to relocate to Vincennes - and Camille Eugene de Buisseret and Catherine Boulanger were on the same steamship out of Le Havre the Bishop returned to America. - This may be partly true. What is not true is that our two ancestors were on the same ship as the Bishop when he returned to America. The Bishop arrived in New York on 10 Oct 1852. I have found that ship's list and no one who could be identified with Camille and Catherine are on that ship. Which makes sense, since there is a record for an arrival of a Camille Englebert and Catherine Boulange (sic) in Harwich, England, on 7 May 1855. Further the earliest known record for Camille Eugene Oswald Englebert de BUISSERET is a deed dated 28 July 1855. Thus it appears that if Camille Englebert and Eugene de Buisseret are one and the same that he arrived in Vincennes about two months after leaving Belgium (assuming about a month to find and buy the land purchased on 28 July 1855).

What is possibly true, however, is that he met Maurice de St Palais, Bishop of Vincennes, at one point during the Bishop's tour of Belgium in 1852. This is how the visit to Belgium in the spring and summer of 1852 of Maurice de St. Palais, Bishop of Vincennes, was described in the History of the Sisters of Providence of Saint Mary-of-the-Woods (1949): "His visit to zealous and hospitable Belgium was however much more satisfactory, and it was there in the most generous country of Europe eventually that he secured the musician for whom the Community had been praying. In the great Catholic families of the Belgian aristocracy, so high-minded and so profoundly religious, the Bishop was welcomed everywhere, and they disputed with one another to the honor of receiving him and hearing his account of his needy diocese. Several of these noblemen gave generously to this worthy cause. The Bishop was both gratified and encouraged especially as he expected aid also from Catholic Brittany, which he was reserving to the last place upon his itinerary."

The fact which backs up this idea concerns a loan made by Camille Eugene de Buisseret to Maurice de St Palais, Bishop of Vincennes, on 28 Jan 1856, in the amount of $3520. This was the second financial record and third of all recoreds for the family made just 6 months after their first. The death of their first child Pauline occurred a few days after birth on 28 Nov 1855 and was the second record.

So far there is no contradictory evidence which would preclude the idea that Camille Auguste Oswald ENGLEBERT became Camille Eugene Oswald Englebert de BUISSERET.

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