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Date Posted: Saturday, January 21, 01:22:24am
Author: Lij
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Subject: Fracking Voy won't let me post my FRINGE observations....

But it let me post this?? Adding....

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[> Frack it! I just reallly, really liked this ep of FRINGE... -- Lij (Fracking Voy!!), Saturday, January 21, 05:40:23pm (adsl-108-67-88-40.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.88.40)


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[> [> Here is something pretty. Won't make Voy any less fracking but oh well... -- AS, Saturday, January 21, 06:43:37pm (d173-180-97-132.bchsia.telus.net/173.180.97.132)

http://vimeo.com/35396305


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[> [> [> Neat! -- Lij, Sunday, January 22, 04:10:33am (adsl-108-67-88-40.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.88.40)


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[> I liked it too -- Chani, Sunday, January 22, 05:17:00am (81-65-157-129.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.157.129)

and yet I'm worried about what is ahead. I want to believe that the show has the balls to end with Peter being wrong about the home he thinks he can go back, but I am not sure they will do it.

However it would make sense that this is the only universes he will ever get (the Observers who see it all wouldn't have cared otherwise), and that the only way to have his beloved people back is to help these versions to "change" and become more like the ones he was used to.

It is already happening with Walter who left the lab for the first time and seems to warm up. That last scene between them was great, and so was the Elisabeth/Walter scene (although to be honest, John Noble sometimes overacts a bit too much for my taste). The "Peter effect" on those people is probably what will make them closer to the first versions that the fans seem to long for. Look at the scene with Alt-Astrid, for instance.

So it isn't about going back but moving forward. Or at least I hope so. That said, I also hope that we aren't going to a new Peter/Olivia...

In other words, I think this was a good episode for Peter who is a character that I could have lived without so far...his "we're in the wrong universe" was a great line (highly ironical and just so FRINGE) and he was right about that one.

So Nina is Jones' boss and the evil mastermind. It seemed a bit telegraphed so I wasn't very fond of that final twist, but there's something that amuses me, it's the fact that both alt-Broyles and our Nina are bad. It reminds me that Broyles and Nina were rather close in season 1, or at least something was hinted about a previous relationship between them...

Lincoln was adorable again, but that's a given.


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[> [> This is Peter's only universe.... -- Lij, Sunday, January 22, 08:01:35am (adsl-108-67-88-40.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.88.40)

I'm sure the old one collapsed when he created the nexus/bridge. I do not think he can go back - there is no where to go back to. Walternate said he reviewed the machine and thought there was nothing that could be done. I think the Walter - altElizabeth moment was most important because it did bring Peter back to Walter, who is his only real parent, emotionally speaking. And emotions are important.

To my mind FRINGE is exploring Separate Realities. Carlos Castaneda's book "A Separate Reality" showed up in Season 3. And they have talked about it, Peter once said (Bad Dreams), "Reality is both subjective and malleable. If you can dream a better world, you can make a better world." That was in response to Walter's statement concerning cortexiphan (see also below), "It worked on perception. Carlos Castaneda, Aldus Huxley, Werner Heisenberg, all focused on one single elementary truth. Perception is the key to transformation."

Season 4 is showing us the original timeline, which I call a "Rational Reality." By contrast seasons 1-3 were dealing with the paradox of recurring loops and that was an "Irrational Reality." Irrational Reality likely came about when the machines became active in Rational Reality (and likely due to the machines themselves) and all the loops of the paradox comprising Irrational Reality occurred within that time that the machines were operating in Rational Reality. Everyone except Peter has experience two quantum-entangled lives in each Reality, but only remembers their life in Rational Reality.

Peter is a construct of the machines (a wild card) within Irrational Reality and thus had no counterpart in the Rational Reality. However, it is Peter in the Irrational Reality who is exactly responsible for saving Rational Reality and saving the bridge therein. It is Peter's dream, his perception that was the key to transforming both universes. Thus he is in only place that he can be; Irrational Reality collapsed when Peter created the nexus/bridge. Also then Olivia (thanks to cortexiphan) and perhaps others may be able to regain the memories of their dual, quantum-entangled lives that have been led in Irrational Reality. In that same episode, Bad Dreams, Walter told Olivia and Peter concerning cortexiphan, "It’s how you feel that determines your view of the world." Cortexiphan works on feelings. Should Olivia come to again love Peter she may change the world, or at least her outlook on the world, by her cortexiphan-aided feelings. This may be one reason that the Observers are so now concerned with her. Why it is seen that Olivia has to die; because she would change reality in a way the Observers see as detrimental.

So, the only place they can go is forward in this reality.

Yeah, Nina and Broyles once kissed in season 1, I think. But here's the BIG question. What Nina were we seeing communicating with DRJ?? OR! Or was it Nina at all? This could be altNina from the Redverse. They were texting via computer, not a quantum-entangled typewriter. I sorta like the ideas that this could be an altNina or a shapeshifter in the shape of Nina (could she even be a rouge shapeshifter from Walternate's first batch?). But.....

The idea that they were communicating via computer seems to point to a non-entangled machine use (such as the typewriter). And thus Nina may be on the Redverse side. But here's another point that might speak to it being OUR Nina. Massive Dynamic has a presence in the bridge-room/nexus as a contractor. There has likely been a communication link between the universes set up via the bridge-room. Likely, Massive Dynamic was a contractor, at least from the Bluverse side. If our Nina has always been league with DRJ, then she could have been responsible for setting up a private line into the Redverse by which she and Jones communicate.

Also... Nina (if it is OUR Nina) would not have known about the relationship between Peter and Jones from the prior timeline. So she would not have had a reason to warn Jones about him.

LOVE ME ANY LINCOLN!!!

Hope this posts!

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[> [> Amphyllosite -- Lij, Sunday, January 22, 10:38:20am (adsl-108-67-88-40.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.88.40)

I'm not sure how they'd spell it, but the geologist in me would spell it like that.

The "amph(i)-" sound at the beginning brings to mind the series of amphibole minerals or the metamorphic rock amphibolite. Amphibolite is mostly made up of the amphibole hornblende which is a complex inosilicate 'mix' with a chemical formula approaching Ca2(Mg,Fe,Al)5(Al,Si)8O22(OH)2. In association with dolostones (a limestone containing magnesium) the amphibole mineral tremolite is most common and is one form of asbestos - an insulator. The "phyll-" brings to mind the rock phyllite which is a foliated metamorphic rock. This brings me back to amphibolites which also have a schistose (flaky) texture to the rock as the minerals are monoclinal crystals. Certain marls (limestone/shale mixes) can be metamorphosed into an amphibolite as well as some volcanic basalts.

So the seem to be talking about a mineral of a form which is a hydrated silicate of Calcium and Magnesium and possibly Iron. One would like to then metamorphose a basalt. In the eastern coastal US the Triassic and Jurassic is represented by a number of basins (grabens) which represent a failed rift (similar to the Jordan-Dead Sea Rift or the Great Rift Valley of east Africa) which began to open up and eventually formed the Atlantic ocean. Basalts are often a constituent of these basins as well as intruded sills (such as the Pallisades). However, the Newark Basin, which is one of the larger of the rifted basins, only extend northward towards the Peekskill, NY, area (the Hudson forms the northeastern boundary). Not nearly far enough north towards New Paltz and Mohonk. You miss out by about 30 miles.

Ok, so what does form the Mohonk area? Primarily the ridgeline is composed of Shawagunk conglomerates, sandstones and shale which represent a terrestrial deposit not akin to warm oceanic enviroments generally associated with limestones. There are some possible limestones in the underlying formations however. These are primarily shales and sandstones representing more deep-sea environments, however, there are known to be some shaley limestones in some areas (dirty marls). Add in that the unit is somewhat metamophosed (low-grade) by tectonism in the area (like the Taconic orogeny) and I'll give FRINGE the benefit of the doubt and say they're talking about such an occurrance.

Ok, now what? Is it a monoclinal crystal form which gives amphyllosite its properties? Makes me wish Louis Pasteur would have continued his work on chemical crystallography at Strasbourg rather than moving to Lille and getting into microbiology. Maybe he did in the Redverse?! Could be the crystal grain is important and holds a charge on either end of the crystal. Or is amphyllosite somehow processed to form Bell's battery and Jones' weapon? Perhaps we'll see. But a possible geology for the mineral in that area compelled me to discuss this.

But, alas, I can go no further when the mineral is a fiction anyway!
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[> [> [> Or Amphilicite -- Lij, Monday, January 23, 04:04:26am (adsl-99-137-201-183.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/99.137.201.183)


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