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Date Posted: Saturday, February 18, 08:31:28pm
Author: Lij
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Subject: FRINGE: There Will Be Answers.

Prepare to have your mind blown!?!

THE END OF ALL THINGS


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[> Re: FRINGE: There Will Be Answers. -- Chani, Sunday, February 19, 04:18:39am (81-65-157-129.rev.numericable.fr/81.65.157.129)

Mmmm....

And there will be 8 episodes left after that one!

Perhaps the answer is that Walter never left the mental institution and all of this FRINGE stuff was and is his delusion...


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[> [> Oh I hope not! -- Lij, Sunday, February 19, 08:30:48pm (adsl-108-67-89-17.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/108.67.89.17)


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[> [> Will the real Nina Sharp please stand up!. -- Lij, Monday, February 20, 06:37:29pm (adsl-99-42-48-161.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net/99.42.48.161)

After several migraines and a little study, I've changed my reasoning on the whole affair of will the real Nina, please stand up.

It comes down to the biometric scanner at Massive Dynamic (if the FRINGE writers are following reality). Such a scanner should compare several patterns. It at least compares the fingertip patterns and the pattern of creases in any one person's hands. It may also compare the blood vessel pattern in one's hand. Now most of those biometric patterns are not based in DNA but are acquired (even fingerprints can be different among twins - and likely also clones?). Thus one likely rules out the possibiliity that the Nina at MD with Walter and Lincoln (I call her Nina/MD) cannot be another Nina from the Redverse because that person would have different biometric patterns completely.

Now the question is what technology does DRJ have to absolutely fully replicate a human. Could he scan the real Bluverse Nina and replicate her biometric pattern in another human being. That is, could DRJ re-style the Redverse Nina (Nina/R) to fit Bluverse Nina (Nina/B) or could he replicate those biometric patterns in a shapeshifter (Nina/ss - hey! I like to name things!). It is possible, but I do not think it is likely at all. The DRJ shapeshifters work mostly on DNA and thus would not have acquired traits. Thus Nina/MD is actually Nina/B - the real Bluverse Nina.

So who is that Nina in the cellar with Olivia (Nina/c)? Not our real Nina - a Ninot. Thus this Ninot is either a Nina/ss or Nina/R. I tend think she is Nina/R. Part of the reason is a spoiler: [SPOILER]the Nina/c is undergoing electro-shock torture as what is part of an apparent interrogation of Olivia or another attempt by DRG to activate Olivia's cortexiphan powers via her fear. A Nina/ss undergoing electro-shock may have a problem with its shapeshifter interface and revert to a possible other persona or their original persona.[/SPOILER] Thus I am of the opinion that Nina/c is actually Nina/R. Considering what is to come (the spoiler above) this then means a rather extraordinary devotion shown by Nina/R to David Robert Jones. Parenthetically, I believe we will find that Olivia's abduction was accomplished by shapeshifters in the Bluverse and transported to the Redverse. That means Peter's ersatz investigation at the 'gas mart' was at best a rather poor effort; however, it was perhaps clouded by his renewed emotions concerning Olivia.

But the motivations behind what happened at the end of A Better Human Being, especially that of DRJ, should be examined. DRJ's abduction of Olivia was planned. The visit to Nina at the Bridge/MD by Walter & Lincoln is conicidental and could not be foreseen by DRJ. DRJ would not know that Olivia has recovered memories of her "other life" in the paradox; he can have no knowledge of it or anything associated with it. Thus when Walter and Lincoln make an unscheduled visit to Nina/B at the Bridge and demand she take them to the vault at Massive Dynamic, there is a problem created for DRJ's plan and Nina/B, as a co-conspiritor with Jones must replace the removed cortexiphan. Yes, I think both Ninas (Nina/B & Nina/R) are in league with David Robert Jones. Nina/B attempted to make a call and it was likely to someone working under her. I'm guessing that Nina/B would have called the character played by Monte Markham. That was (according to IMdB) Dr. Blair West, who was presumably the doctor from Massive Dynamic who had stolen Eugene Bryant away as an infant for study by Kelvin Genetics, later Massive Dynamic. Knowledge of Eugene Bryant's condition may have been useful in the eventual production of shapeshifters.

This brings up further points about the biometric scanner at the MD vault. Is it said (by Nina/B) to be only keyed to Nina/B. My guess is that it is not; which means Nina/B is either lying about that fact to Walter & Lincoln or she is not Nina/B. But the circumstances seem to point to Nina/B to be a co-conspirator. For one thing to change the biometric scanner to any other such person's handprint would likely mean that Nina/B was complicit or forced. The only other possibilities would be that Nina/B was taken prisoner by assets of DRJ and the used within Massive Dynamic to re-key the biometric scanner at the vault possibly to both Nina/R (or a Nina/ss) and Dr Blair West OR the biometric scanner has been disabled in some way by assets of DRJ and just about anyone could then use it. Though possible, I find this last idea to be improbable; however, this idea brings up the possibility that Nina/MD actually is Nina/R or a Nina/ss.

And so we are left with only five possibilities in my humble opinion:

1) Nina at Massive Dynamics with Walter and Lincoln is Nina/B and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones. Nina witih Olivia is Nina/R and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones.

2) Nina at Massive Dynamics with Walter and Lincoln is Nina/B and is being duped by Dr Blair West who has somehow disabled the biometric scanner (without Nina/B's aid) and is in league Nina/R and DRJ. Nina witih Olivia is Nina/R and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones.

3) Nina at Massive Dynamics with Walter and Lincoln is Nina/R and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones. Nina wiith Olivia is Nina/B and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones.

4) Nina at Massive Dynamics with Walter and Lincoln is Nina/R and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones. Nina wiith Olivia is Nina/B and is also a prisoner of David Robert Jones.

5) Nina at Massive Dynamics with Walter and Lincoln is a Nina/ss and is a co-conspirator with David Robert Jones. Nina wiith Olivia is Nina/B and is also a prisoner of David Robert Jones.

I don't like the idea that there is a Nina/ss - goodbye #5. And #2 while possible seems to be quite improbable becaue Nina would not be needed to disable the biometric scanner. Could we have been seeing two different Nina's in prior episodes this season? Possibly, especially when seen with Dr Blair West dosing Olivia with cortexiphan. That supports #'s 3 & 4 and I am more supportive of #4 if only to rehabilitate Nina/B. But when push comes to shove, I seem to fall in live with what my cousin Mary Jo has to say about it: "I don't trust that woman!"

So I'll stick with #1 until futher information proves otherwise.

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