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Date Posted: 15:01:29 02/16/05 Wed
Author: Kristin
Author Host/IP: 66.19.102.38
Subject: Re: For Kristen re: object permanence
In reply to: Traci 's message, "For Kristen re: object permanence" on 10:24:39 02/16/05 Wed

When I have young puppies, whether they're deaf or not, I place the crate where they can see me most of the time. During the days, their crate is moved to the den where they can see me in the kitchen or the den. At nights, their crate is moved to the bedroom where they can see me, and I can hear them.

I think it's very common for deaf dogs to get upset if they go to sleep and we're there and they wake up and we're not. Even my sheltie at his current age (two) dislikes this, and I've read that other deaf dogs are the same. Many owners will wake their deaf dogs if they leave the room so that the dog will be able to follow.

For a puppy being potty trained, this isn't always possible as the crate is a big part of the potty training process. And I think part of growing up is learning that when we leave the room, we're permanent, and will return. If we never leave the puppy behind, he may not develop any independence - causing a whole other set of problems.

So, I know this is a wish-washy answer, but play it by ear. Sometimes leave your puppy and go out of sight. If he's out of his cage and you leave the room, wake him before you leave to let him know your going. If he begins to develop crate issues because he can't follow you or hear you're in the other room, then e-mail back. Most deaf dogs adjust to crates just like hearing dogs, but I think some really struggle.

Some smart deaf dogs learn to sleep at the doorways to rooms. Then, when we leave, we step over them, and they're automatically awakened.

Also, get a good book on puppy training - again, I like the KISS book. It's red and sort of big. Also, get to a professional all-positive trainer, as I have stated in almost all of my posts. It will make you and your dog's life so much better!

Good luck and congrats!

-Kristin



>Kristen wrote this:
>"Also, I'm of the opinion that deaf dogs don't develop
>"Object Permanance" until a much later age than normal
>puppies. "Object Permanance" is when a puppy learns
>that if you leave the room, you're permanent, and will
>return again. Deaf pups can't hear you in the other
>room, so if you leave the room, perhaps you've dropped
>off the face of the earth, which for the pup is only
>what he can see. To him at that young age, objects
>aren't permanent.
>
>I think this is why my deaf Sheltie had such huge
>crate issues at a young age. I'd leave his sight, and
>he'd become terrified. What if I ceased to exist? He
>couldn't hear me bumming around in the kitchen. He
>didn't seem to really get the idea of permanent
>objects until he was about four to five months old. He
>spent two months of crate time frightened I'd left the
>earth and unable to leave the crate to see if that was
>true."
>
>I have a 6 to 7 week old deaf puppy that came to our
>home 3 days ago. When he is in his crate, should I
>place it where I will be visible to him at all times,
>day or night? He goes in his crate on his own to nap,
>he seems to enjoy it. However, when he wakes up he
>gets very upset and I can hear him from other rooms,
>etc. When we go to bed at night, we place his crate
>beside of us. Will he always need to be w/ us at night
>or just as a puppy? Thank you in advance for any
>advice.
>Traci

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