Subject:  Re: Osama's Killing Was A Botched Job! |
Author:
kim
|
[
Next Thread |
Previous Thread |
Next Message |
Previous Message
]
Date Posted: 07:04:58 10/12/12 Fri
In reply to:
Archonis
's message, "Osama's Killing Was A Botched Job!" on 21:36:41 05/11/11 Wed
While I cant comment on the killing of osama bin laden, I would say, that in my opinion, when it comes to making someone a martyr, or using something like this as an excuse to wage jihad, etc against westerners or the usa, what i have read and researched leaves me believing that in most islamic countries, there is a lot of anti israeal/anti western (in particular anti usa) propaganda which is fed to the general public in those places, and if they didnt use the killing of bin laden they would use something else anyway. Having said that - I personally also believe that the actions of the united states and otther western nations have not been faultless or without their own agenda (ie oil) in mind. So Who can blame the muslim people for being pissed off at westerners, based purely on what they have seen to be the actions and motivations of the west.
On top of that - some interesting books I have read - written by people from islamic countries, Ive seen the same things come out of lots of different books written by different people from different backgrounds and with different beliefs (their common factor being that they had lived/experienced life in a muslim country, and in some cases been involved in 'jihad' as they call it ie terrorist groups). Anyway the commonality to many of their stories seems to be a belief (that is promoted extensively in muslim nations, and therefore something accepted a fact by children from the time they are old enough to comprehend the subject) that they are under imminent attack from both israel, and from the united states. Apparently the al qaeda conscripts were shown videos of israeli soldiers beating palestinian women and children etc, and taught that the israeli.us threat were one and the same, and that the US were the weaker component of the combined threat - therefore the logical target against the single enemy.
Im not saying any of these things excuse or justify terrorism, I am just suggesting, that while, there is the occasional person who is just a nutter, because they are either geneticall or biologically, . .. nuts. I think this is the exception to the rule.
The average human being i believe does not behave or think in any particular way without some causative factor, his behaviour and thinking are normally learnt through observation of his/her peers, specifically taught, reactive (their reaction to some sort of abnormal event) or habituated, as a result of the same message being foisted on them repeatedly over a long period of time.
And given that these terrorist groups that succeed in doing things like the 9/11 attacks and other events which make the news, can only do so with many hundreds, or thousands of dedicated members, then it stands to reason that there must be a majority of those members who are, or were born, normal, non violent reasonable people. And therefore who must have been MADE into terrorists, as a result of things that have happened to them, or been done to them, since they were born.
And as such, I cant see how terrorism will ever be defeated. Not until the real causes - the factors that lead teenagers, for example, to decide they wish their lifes work to be death for a violent cause - identified and dealt with.
In my culture i dont think many average teenage males would wish to join a cause which required them to go without most/all normal comforts of home, and which would likely require them to give their life. In my culture the average person does not see any reason to do that. So what is it that causes so many men in islamic countries to see that decision as one which is desirable?
I have no idea what the solution is but it seems to me one place to start would be with the government of those countries - but i have no idea how.
I mean how would someone truly convince those governments to change their entire philisophy re the western world?
To remove them from power is just going to reinforce and alienate the citizens of those countries (well if some strange nation who had a totally different culture and religon to me, just marched in and ousted my prime miinister - crappy though he may be - without so much as a by your leave - id probably be pretty angry and anti that country - so i imagine that islamic people dont think much if the western world does that to them).
I think the solution has to be one which can change the thinking of those in power in islamic nations, not by force, or belittlement, threats, or bribery, but in a way that causes lasting, geniune changes in thinking.
I have no idea what miracle will achieve that. But I do feel that it is the only way there will ever be any hope of real, long term peace, tolerance and understanding between western and muslim countries/governments. And I do think that the western world has at least as much attitude adjustment to make as the muslims do.
And if anyone is curious, I am a western, christian, not a middle eastern muslim.
So I have no idea what the answer is - i guess if it were easy enough that i could come up with it in the course of writng this post, then someone would have already come up with and implemented it and we would all be living happily ever after.
However - I do feel that arguing specific points of belief or theology, or political viewpoints, is not really addressing the real problem which goes much deeper than whether or not Osamas killing was botched or not, into core of what Islamic people are being fed, either by their government, their religious elders, their peers, or just from the reality of western policy at work in their homeland. Actually - that makes me think - what about what we westerners are being fed? Maybe we also need to take some time to consider the message our governments or other groups are offering us, rather than just blindly accepting it.
>This is my take on the assassination of Osmama Bin
>Laden.... In my view, it was an extremely botched and
>unwise operation.
>
>
>In the first place, how does anyone know that they did
>not get a "double," and that their intelligence may
>have been faulty...
>
>
>Where is the proof that it was Osama that was killed?
>I have not seen anything decisive....
>
>
>Also let's say that it was 'him' that was killed? It
>has now turned him into a martyr for Islam, which is
>the most holy thing
>
>
>you can be in that religion. Would not it have been
>wiser to have found some way to arrest him, and then
>replace him with a
>
>
>'double' and then said "he was still alive?" This is
>not going to work out well, Muslims all over the
>world; Sunnis and Shi'ites
>
>
>will scramble to avenge him....... This is not
>justice, it is hubris....
>
>
>
>
>Israel will be a prime target as the oppressor of the
>Palestinians and the fact that "the Zionist Entity" is
>seen as the enemy of
>
>
>almost all Arab and Islamic States.... The USA is also
>seen as a complex of 'World Zionist' financial power
>and has a history of
>
>
>creating coup's in Arab and Islamic states like Iran,
>and meddling in their politics.... This has created
>real anger and
>
>
>resentment on the part of Muslim amd non-Muslim Arabs.
>The Vatican too, due to the idiotic statements made by
>the Pope on how
>
>
>Islam is an "Evil Religion," also makes the Vatican
>City-State a target.... What will we all get for
>having created this martyr?
>
>
>Bombings and train derailings, mass shootings,
>assassinations of public figures if we are lucky....
>
>
>
>
>Most likely, it will be far worse..... Major cities in
>the USA like Los Angeles, Washington DC, Ft. Mead
>Maryland, and New York,
>
>
>could have Bubonic Plague and Anthrax unleashed in the
>centers of these towns, by Fadyeen that could then go
>and then blow
>
>
>themselves up. (To die before getting infected) They
>also could circle Israel's and the Vatican's borders
>and unleash the
>
>
>biowarfare poisons while the winds are blowing inward
>inside these states. This will kill hundreds of
>millions of people.
>
>
>I am sure this will happen, now that we have made
>Osama a martyr.. I cannot even see how a Republican
>administation could have
>
>
>botched it any worse.... Never more stupid!
[
Next Thread |
Previous Thread |
Next Message |
Previous Message
]
| |
Feedback: 