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Date Posted: 10:22:23 03/06/06 Mon
Author: Sunshine
Subject: Re: not to mention Angel himself
In reply to: frisby 's message, "not to mention Angel himself" on 15:44:42 03/05/06 Sun

Well I agree with you regarding Angel. I actually thought pretty much all of Angel on BtVS was weak. I did like Angelus in S2 but not so much Angel. In Amends, when Angel says “It is not the monster in me that needs killing, it is the man” my immediate reaction was “Where has this guy been for 2 ˝ years?” To me, this was the first inkling of the character I grew to love in AtS.

Certainly character growth was a key aspect of the Buffyverse. I did not like any of the three Angel carryover characters from BtVS. Cordelia was the most interesting but not that likable and certainly no hint of the hero she was to become. Wesley was, well, Wesley. But you did see their growth over the seasons – they just didn’t all of a sudden change from their S1 (or S3 in Wesley’s case) incarnation to the final product.

The difference I see with Darla was that the flashbacks in AtS showed a strong, powerful, intelligent and independent woman (although admittedly not that nice of an unperson). She was independent enough to bash Angelus over the head with a shovel and escape on their only horse, leaving Angelus to deal with Holtz. She was a bit deferential to The Master in “Darla” but she was a far cry from the idiotic schoolgirl we saw in Buffy S1. I could see Darla dressing up as a Catholic schoolgirl but only for kinky foreplay with Angel, not to lure some hapless high school boy to his death. She was just too dignified and classy to stoop to such a subterfuge. Her character had in fact regressed so far by the time that she got to Sunnydale that I would not have recognized her as being the Darla of AtS. Even when WR&H brought her back as human, she would have eaten the Buffy S1 Darla for breakfast. I think the Darla of the flashbacks and AtS S2 was a huge retro-con and that they initially had no plans for her beyond getting staked by Angel in “Angel”. I am certainly glad they did change their minds, as she was one of the best characters in AtS. “The Prodigal”, “Dear Boy”, “Darla”, “The Trial”, “Reunion”, “Redefinition”, “Lullaby” – all fantastic episodes.

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