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Date Posted: 03:39:29 11/01/05 Tue
Author: Rufus
Subject: Orpheus
In reply to: Ninerva 's message, "Angel/Angelus: Exploring the paradox." on 10:40:04 10/27/05 Thu

In real terms, by the definitions above, the only solution to the paradox is to separate the two entities, where one can acheive redemption just as the other will never. Yet this solution is deeply unsatisfactory, you can not surely separate the two identities, or can you?


From the season 4 epsisode Orpheus:

*ANGELUS
Worse were the concerts. (a couple walks out past Angel, who looks at them longingly) You know what that's like? (Angel sits at the counter) Every time he gets close, I feel it. Wanting to tear their flesh apart. The hunger. It's like a blade in my gut.

*ANGELUS
You'll just hang up your spurs and ride off into the sunset knowing you put the monster back in his cage. But, (disappears and reappears next to Faith) I'm always here, Faithy. Deep in.


FAITH
Ugh. When is this?

ANGELUS
When isn't it? Twenty years after that stupid donut shop, and his fingers never smelled of anything but rat! "I'm so sorry. I give up. I'm gonna live in a sewer!"

FAITH
He's paying for what he did.

ANGELUS
He's hiding from what he is—which may be a big Psych 101 revelation for you, cupcake, but I already know this crap, so why do I have to go through it again?

ANGEL
Maybe 'cause it's not about you, (stands) jackass.

BOTH (ANGEL & ANGELUS)
I've been waiting a long time for this.

[Angel and Angelus start fighting.]

FAITH
(weakly) Angel, I'm dying.

ANGEL
Yeah. It's a lot easier than redemption, huh? (kicks Angelus)

ANGELUS
(grabs Angel by the neck) Always so concerned with the human condition. (throws Angel down the alley) It's no big mystery, man. They suffer, they die. That's what they're there for.

ANGEL
(lunges at Angelus) I'm not perfect, Faith. Even with a soul, I've done things I wished a thousand times I could take back.

FAITH
(wakes) I've rolled the bones. You for me.

ANGEL
(walks away from the fight with Angelus to talk to Faith) I used to think that. That there'd be a point when I'd paid my dues.

ANGELUS
(knocks out Angel from behind) Anybody notice a battle with your alter-ego going on here?

***ANGEL
Faith, listen to me. You saw me drink. It doesn't get much lower than that. And I thought I could make up for it by disappearing.***

FAITH
I did my time.

ANGEL
Our time is never up, Faith. We pay for everything.

FAITH
It hurts.

ANGEL
I know. I know.

ANGEL
Get up! You have to get up now. Faith, you have to fight. I need you to fight. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Angelus sneaks up behind Angel and knocks him out with a metal pipe.

ANGELUS
What won't I miss? The moralizing. Soul's already in the ether, boyo. I can smell it. How 'bout I send it off to that big puppy rescue in the sky.

FAITH
(from behind) Arf arf, psycho.

ANGELUS
Faith. Getting back into the game.

FAITH
I guess I am.

ANGELUS
(swings the pipe at Faith, but she disappears) Hey!

Angel talks about disappearing, and that was what he would do when the soul was gone. But the Angel in season four isn't the same Liam who fought with his dad. Angelus will always be there as long as Angel is a vampire with a soul, but in Orpheus, Angel didn't disappear, he got back into the fight, even if the entry into the battle started with one with the inferior/Angelus side of himself.

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