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Date Posted: Wed, Feb 22, 05:31:20pm CST
Author: perry
Author Host/IP: cache-dtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.116.67
Subject: Re: dog history
In reply to: perry 's message, "Re: dog history" on Wed, Feb 22, 05:28:30pm CST

>>>>>>I truly enjoy looking at old leopard history. I
>>like
>>>>>>the old yearbooks, pedigrees, dog photos and
>>>>>>especially personal experiences. Several of you
>>were
>>>>>>fortunate to hunt with many of the foundation
>stock
>>>>>>and many older leopards. Believe me I envy you.
>>>While
>>>>>>looking at a coule old yearbooks on this cold
>>>weekend
>>>>>>I have a couple to ask about. 1st Burr Oak
>Preacher
>>>>>>owned by Bob Munson. I remember Sherman Borders
>>>>>>speaking highly of him. He was considering
>breeding
>>>>>>his Yell-o-belle female to him. Can't recall if
>>that
>>>>>>happened or not? You rarley see him in a pedigree.
>>>>>>Lets hear from a few fellas on him. Next would be
>a
>>>>>>dog owned by a fella I felt fortunate to call a
>>>>>>friend. The dog was Bennitt's Hoosier Matt,owned
>by
>>>>>>Dale Bennitt. I believe Dale got him out west.
>>>Kansas
>>>>>>comes to mind? Anyone hunt with him or know if he
>>>was
>>>>>>bred? He was I believe the last living son of Matt
>>>>>>Dillon(Buckhorn Valley Matt). would also like to
>>>hear
>>>>>>from anyone that was fortunate to hunt with
>>>Bennitt's
>>>>>>Buck and the Black Gal. If you have an intersting
>>>>>>story about a dog not mentioned above feel free to
>>>>>>ring in!
>>>>>Perry,
>>>>> To answer your question about "Burr Oak
>Preacher",
>>>>>everyone that knew or hunted with him ,knew him as
>>>>>"Block".Yes Sherm did breed him to Belle. I had a
>>>nice
>>>>>blue male from that litter that started early. A
>>>>>friend had been hunting him for me and coyotes
>>killed
>>>>>him. Don't know what happened to the rest of the
>>>>>litter. I only bred Block to a couple of females. I
>>>>>was mainly a hunter, and I guess you'd have to say
>>>>>Block was a once in a lifetime type of dog. He was
>a
>>>>>stand on the tree every breath treedog. No tree or
>>>>>dog fight in him. He would tree a layup that hadn't
>>>>>been on the ground, or an old long gone track just
>>>>>about any night of the year that you took a notion
>>to
>>>>>pull your boots on. I kept him til he died of old
>>>age.
>>>>>I guess I'll go back to lurking now. Good hunting
>>>>>fellas, Bob Munson
>>>> The good ole' days! As most know, i grew up hunting
>>>>with many of the early breeders and dogs directly
>off
>>>>foundation stock. Owned several first generation
>>dogs,
>>>>such as Doe Valley Queen, who was sired by Ottis
>>>>Edge's old Treivor, dam was Cumberland Valley
>>>>Jezebell. My first Lep, Dutchman Creek Ranger, was
>>>>from the famous cross, O'Neill Bennett's Buck and
>>>>Black Gal. I never hunted with either, but hunted
>>with
>>>>many off them. Oneill's Mack, Tex, Tommy Byrd's
>>Dolly,
>>>>Noah Leggett's Sugar Blossum, to name just a couple.
>>>>They were all extrodinary track dogs, ran ever track
>>>>like it was red hot. Many thought this cross was
>what
>>>>put the track power in this strain a few of us still
>>>>have today. I owned many dogs sired by the Gold
>>>>Nuggett, and trained several others for friends.
>>>>Nuggetts pups were very hard, wide hunters and never
>>>>seemed to wind down. Hussle is what I saw in them.
>>>>Hunted many dogs sired by Nimrod and Elrod. Two
>>>>different dogs, and ddifferent type offspring.
>>O'Neill
>>>>Bennett's ole King was sired by Elrod, out of Black
>>>>Gal. King was a tireless hunter, it seemed that on
>>our
>>>>many "all nite Hunts", after about three in morning,
>>>>King really shined, he finished bad tracks and found
>>>>trees other good dogs missed. When King treed, you
>>>>knew it! He was a very loud, powerful tree dog.
>Stood
>>>>straight up on tree. When he treed, the coon was
>>>>usually there. Often, King would tree alone , near
>>>>dawn, and O'Neill would say "come on, let's go get
>>>>something to eat, and then go get King's coon".
>After
>>>>breakfast, we'ed go get him, and the coon, and take
>>>>fresh dogs and hunt til aftewr sun way up.King was
>>one
>>>>of my very favorites. I gave ole Queen to ONeill and
>>>>he bred her to King. Figure out that pedigree! My
>>>>Radar dog was from that, looked like a Plott Cur.
>>>> Thomas Lee Goodwin ALWAYS kept real good dogs. He
>>>>was real fond of Skiles' Hammer, who he got from
>>Larry
>>>>Singlton. I have a letter, Larry wrote me,telling
>>>>about how he told his wife , how he justified paying
>>>>such a big price for Hammer, and then, Delilah !!
>>Have
>>>>good pictures of them, and fond memories of Larry
>>>>coming to our hunts, here. Thomas Lee talked me into
>>>>buying "Little Lep" from John England, as both him
>>and
>>>>my buddy Noah Leggett, thought those dogs had tree
>>>>power and were using that to cross on our eastern
>>>>strain. Lep was indded special, and I'm glad to have
>>>>owned him. I,d like to tell about Noah Leggett and
>>>>Wayne Rogerson, and their dogs: but that's another
>>>>story....Rex
>>>Perry, don't know if Bennit's Hoosier Matt that you
>>>mentioned is the same dog as the Hoosier Matt that I
>>>discovered in the hills of Northeast Kansas or not
>but
>>>I believe that it is. I found a family of dogs in the
>>>mid eighties owned by a man called George Treadway.
>>>The two parent dogs were purchased by George as
>>>puppies from Billie Williams. Unfortunately at that
>>>time the papers did not come with the pups. When I
>>>first saw the dogs, I recognized the older male as a
>>>Matt Dillon and Sweet Talk 11 bred dog called Royce.
>>>The female was a big wide, heavy haired dog. She was
>a
>>>lot bigger dog than the male. Brown with leopard
>spots
>>>and dark tan trim. She also used a bawl mouth that
>>>would drown out the rest of the dogs is the yard. At
>>>the time,according to George, both females were out
>of
>>>Matt Dillon but he forgot what the female was out of.
>>>George said the male dog was a outstanding coondog
>and
>>>was sure the female would be two but he just used her
>>>as a turnin dog so he could enjoy her mouth. He had
>>>three good looking offsprings there from different
>>>litters but said that he was trying to quit hunting
>>>and was selling out. The problem being that two
>>>different hunters had tried those dogs and the dogs
>>>wouldn't change over to new ownership. All three were
>>>supposed to be excellent coondogs. I took a dog home
>>>and tried him for two months but he never changed
>over
>>>for me. The older offspring changed over for a old
>man
>>>I sent up there to try and he told me later that he
>>>made a outstanding dog. I talked George into making
>>>that cross again thinking it would be better for me
>to
>>>start those pups myself. I later rethought what I was
>>>doing because I had enough of that problem at my own
>>>kennel and didn't need anymore. I believe that was a
>>>mistake own my part because of later finding out how
>>>those two older dogs was bred and how they figure in
>>>some of todays Leopards. That litter of pups that
>>>George had and didn't need ended up all over the
>>>country and disappeared except one and that was
>>>Patton's Tree Talking Bob that was a 65-70 lb white
>>>and Leopard spotted bob tail male. Dale Patton got
>him
>>>and bred to Ark Valley Curley which produced Cheney's
>>>Ready and she was bred to ArkValley Hoosier Captain
>>>and that produced Rex Lakers Slough Creek Brownie and
>>>you probably know the rest of that story. I told Ron
>>>Ganus about those dogs and he drove down to Kansas
>and
>>>picked up the two older dogs and a 3 yr old male he
>>>called Hoosier's Top Gun. He then got with Billie
>>>Williams and together they got the pedigree
>>>straightened out and the dogs name was changed to
>>>Hoosier Matt and then he probably sold him to Dale
>>>Bennitt, hence his name added to Hoosier Matt. Perry,
>>>if you have a copy of the pedigree, you need to
>switch
>>>Hoosier Matt and Treadways Rita background around
>>>because they are reversed on the copy that I have.
>>>Matt was out of Matt Dillon X CV Hannah (Williams Old
>>>Fred X Reams Hustlin Bonnie)(Old Fred was Little Lep
>X
>>>Sweet Talk II)Bonnie was Matt Dillon X Englands
>>>Sheba). Treadway's Rita was out of Matt Dillon X
>>>Williams Roxie. Roxie was out of Dutchman Creek
>Ranger
>>>X Doe Valley Queen and Roxie was a littermate to CV
>>>Luke whom I have learned that a great producer of
>bear
>>>dogs out west. Rex Bowers can tell more about those
>>>dogs. According to Dale Patton, Tree Talking Bob was
>>>bred to a lot of hounds in his area and there was a
>>>high percentage of good dogs out of him. He was also
>>>bred to a John Boy and direct son of Nimrod's female
>>>and there are two of that offspring down at Tom
>Bull's
>>>today. Unable to visit with Dale Patton as he passed
>>>away this past summer about any of those hound
>>>crosses. Sorry to be so long winded but that is the
>>>history of that dog....thanks....sparkie
>> Wasn't that the dog That Richard McDuffie and Billie
>>Styles bought?? Seems like Richard told me they bought
>>him from Dale. I remember Dale had him on the back
>>cover of the yearbook one year. I think Roxie was also
>>the mother of Chuck Rickman's Glass River Spotts, that
>>won the world hunt. Spotts was a reall good bear dog,
>>according to Chuck. Doe Valley Queen was a bear dog,
>>and a extra good producer of them. They had bred her
>>several times to same male, a redbone, just to raise
>>litters of beardogs. Myself and Henry Harris heard
>>about these dogs, up in tenn. and went up there. I
>>bought Queen, and a young female off her, trained on
>>bear. Henry bought a mate. Ross Arnold and Tuck
>>Phillipe, were the men. I,ve hunted with Ross all
>>through the years. those guys only would come down
>>coon hunting and hunt til sun was shining! Another
>>fellow up there, had a male sired by Nimrod. A better
>>dog, I,ve never seen. They kept top dogs, but they
>>hunted all nite ever nite and got what they treed.
>>they still work on those Smokey mountain bears, too !
>>Strangly, they never kept any papers, and usually
>>crossed the Leopards on hounds. Rex
>Yes Matt is on the back page of the 88 yearbook with
>Dale. His pewdigree shows he is by B.V.Matt x Williams
>Roxie. If I follow Gary correctly this is wrong and he
>is by B.V.MattX C.V.Hannah?? I do believe Dale or some
>how I heard the Hoosier Matt dog ended at Mr.
>McDuffies. Was he bred?? I remember seeing the ad in
>Full Cry for the Top Gun dog from Mr Treadway. With
>just a little help it is amazing the hidden memories
>that can be recalled. Thanks for prompting me
>gentlemen. Surely someone else has a story or details
>on a dog or two?? Anyone ver hunt with Mr. French's
>Johnboy dog? Perry
I guess one I would love to hear first hand accounts of would be Rimbey's Hawk. Hunts , His litter mates voice tracking, disposition everything out there.. Thanks gentlemen. Perry

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