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Date Posted: Thu, Sep 20, 04:17:31am CST
Author: jerry
Author Host/IP: 74-36-80-95.dr01.crvl.il.frontiernet.net / 74.36.80.95
Subject: Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ????
In reply to: perry 's message, "Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ????" on Thu, Sep 20, 04:02:32am CST

>>>>>>>> What in the world are those? Just three of many
>>>>>>color
>>>>>>>>patterns that can appear in breeds with merle
>and
>>>>>>>>brindle genes. Some breeds do not allow mating
>>dog
>>>>>>>>with merle to a female with brindle, or solid
>>>>blacks
>>>>>>>>and blues to tan trims ,or fawns to any of
>>>>>>>>above.Reason being,each mating compounds the
>>>>>factors.
>>>>>>>>genetic modifiers can have either positive or
>>>>>>>>negitive, and to various degrees. I'm sure many
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>seen a white deer with spots, Pie bald, or
>>>mulatto?
>>>>>A
>>>>>>>>"Merlikin", or properly, a Merlequin, has genes
>>>>from
>>>>>>>>both merle and Harliquin. "Swerles" are merle
>and
>>>>>>>>brindle with modified color gene, often called a
>>>>>>>>"Camo". Very few of these are seen in our
>present
>>>>>day
>>>>>>>>Leopards but I asure you they can evenyually get
>>>>>>>>there. I've old photos of Plott Curs manys years
>>>>>>back,
>>>>>>>>showing them.Seen it in Julys. Great Danes had
>>>them
>>>>>>>>real bad and then prohibited crossing different
>>>>>>>>patterns. The July breeders bred for ability
>only
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>this crazy patterns persisted. Catahoulas have
>>>>>>>>this..Five genetic modifiers that produce white,
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>than outside influence. Me thinks we know very,
>>>>>very
>>>>>>>>little about the color "Leopard" ! There are
>some
>>>>>>>>informing articles on this subject, I've studied
>>>>>>them,
>>>>>>>>only to conclude it was way over my
>head,,,.Color
>>>>is
>>>>>>>>only ONE of fourteen traits in a treedog. Rex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've read a few of the more common books on
>>>>genetics,
>>>>>>>none of which I have commited to memory for
>>>>certain.
>>>>>>>I got one from Jed Prendergast last year and it
>>was
>>>>>>>the most easy and informative of all that I have
>>>>>>>looked at. It's title is GENETICS by Jackie
>>>>>Isabell.
>>>>>>>In short it states that the locus M allele is,
>>"The
>>>>>>>most complex of all pairs (Mm)...The m allele is
>>an
>>>>>>>excellent example of pleiotropy--the phenomenon
>of
>>>a
>>>>>>>single allele causing a number of distinct and
>>>>>>>seemingly unrelated phenotiypic effects. Even
>>when
>>>>>>>heterozygous, the M allele is associated qith
>some
>>>>>>>deafness ans well as occasional wall eyes...When
>>>>>>>homozygous the dogs usually have samll eyes with
>>>>blue
>>>>>>>or partly blue irises, and they often have
>>impaired
>>>>>>>hearing and fertility." Merle coloring is very
>>>hard
>>>>>>>on my head. I wish I had a buddy who knew more
>>>>about
>>>>>>>it. I think I'm going to have to call the
>>>>>university.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rex I really enjoy your post I learn from them
>and
>>>>>>they make me think some to.You know me thinking is
>>>>bad
>>>>>>lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a lengthy article on Canine Color Genetics
>>>>>
>>>>>Ramie
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>href="http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.
>h
>>t
>>>m
>>>>l
>>>>>">http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.html
><
>>/
>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Good article, all in one spot. Hard to absorb in
>one
>>>>sitting...kind of like Thanksgiving:). Takes about
>a
>>>>week to eat everything you've cooked.
>>>
>>>
>>>It is I have to read it about 10 times LOL....
>>>
>>>Here is another....
>>>
>>>Ringstreaked, Speckled, and Spotted
>>>
>>> >>>href="http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/846.
>h
>>t
>>>ml">http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF8/846.ht
>m
>>l
>>>
>>>
>>>Ramie
>> GREAT !!! now, we are thinking. In the beginning;Gen.
>>1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the
>>living creature according to its kind:......25....and
>>God saw that it WAS good." I beleive that. I also
>>beleive there are some things we will never copletley
>>figure out; Isaiah 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your
>>thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways" says the Lord.
>>"For as the heavens are higherthan the earth, So are
>>My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than
>>yours".
>> Thru the years scientist learn that what they once
>>thought , was wrong, and come up with new ideas, only
>>to later learn, again, wrong. It seemed correct at
>>that time.We just need to put all this in perspective,
>>and keep learning!
>> James1:19 "So then, my beloved brethren,let every man
>>be SWIFT to hear, SLOW to speak[type!],and SLOW to
>>wrath." Rex
>
>
>This is a question for some of you fellas studying the
>genetic color phases. Is it possible for a black
>female to throw a double merle??


I say yes!

Jerry

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  • Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ???? -- rshaw, Thu, Sep 20, 06:47:43am CST
  • Re: Merelikins, Swerles, and Pie Balds ???? -- perry, Thu, Sep 20, 02:25:30pm CST
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