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Date Posted: Thu, Sep 13, 05:15:21pm CST
Author: rshaw
Author Host/IP: nc-76-4-220-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net / 76.4.220.200
Subject: Re: line bred from the get go!
In reply to: Rex 's message, "Re: line bred from the get go!" on Thu, Sep 13, 03:37:29pm CST

>>>>>> to expand on what earlier posted; Sam's Double
>>>>>>grandmother was mate to Ranger, my Doe Valley
>Queen
>>>>>>was mate to Noah Leggetts Blondie, both out of CV
>>>>>>Jezebel sired Treiver. Sam was double grandson
>>>>>>ofJefferson Elrod, mate to Jezebel and Nimrod.Noah
>>>>>>Leggett brought "Big John" back from Mo. in 72 and
>>>>>>this was added in, which was cousin to Richard's
>>>>>>Nugget.So all these dogs were close bred , way
>back
>>>T
>>>>>>Byrd's Donna and Vernon Leggetts Rusty were both
>>>>mates
>>>>>>to Sam. Tommy Bred Donna to Tigger and I got
>>>Cricket,
>>>>>>sire ot Tiffany. Tigger and Tiffany were close
>>>>>>related. Trudy was intense Nimrod bred, used her
>as
>>>>>>out cross as she was not related in three gen.
>All
>>>>>>these dogs are "Kissin Couzins"!
>>>>>> Midwest dogs bred same way, Little Lep, Hammer ,
>>>>>>Shiner, all over papers.
>>>>>> Mike Craword said a man ask him which was best,
>>>>>>Eastern or Midwest. Mike told him "cross them, and
>>>>get
>>>>>>dogs better than either!" That's what we did by
>>late
>>>>>>80's, ten more line breeding. While a few new
>genes
>>>>>>have came in, this breed is still mostly based on
>>>>>>about two dozen dogs, that were linebred. If you
>>>>have
>>>>>>two real good dogs , half mates or closer; and
>>alike
>>>>>>in most traits BREED THEM!! I am not familiar with
>>>>>>many of todays dogs but likely would see many of
>>>>their
>>>>>>ancestors in them, in their ability. Knowing the
>>>>>>pedigree helps, buy know the dogs in the pedigree
>>>>>>helps more.
>>>>>> May this breed get better and better, is my
>>sincere
>>>>>>hopes. Rex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rex, I know the other two guys that responded are
>>>>>breeding for bear dogs. Just wondering what kind of
>>>>>game your Leopards are bred for....Mike Richardson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry Jason, didn't mean to disregard you there on
>>>>your breeding but I think I know primarily what you
>>>>are breeding for....Mike
>>> Mike, I mainly hunted coon, but also bear hunted,
>but
>>>for many years supplied lots of bear hunters.I would
>>>guess about all bear bred Leopards are heavy line
>bred
>>>top and bottom on my dogs. In addition to Sam, I
>owned
>>>CV Dolly, she's burried here. owned her sister. and
>>>two of Tig's mates.Many bear dogs also go back to DC
>>>Goldie and CV Jezebel II which I raised from DC
>>>Cleo,who was grandaughter of Ranger x Doe Valley
>>>Queen.Queen was a top bear dog and repoduced many
>good
>>>bear dogs. Fact is. tis strain was more bear bred
>than
>>>coon bred way back in 60s. I have only raised a
>couple
>>>litters in last ten years but many of those are top
>>>bear dogs and still reproducing, better each
>>>generation. I only have two Leps now, both granpups
>of
>>>Sam. most of their littermates are bear dogs.
>However,
>>>the same breeding principles apply to hunting any
>>>game. remember, knowing the pedigree helps, but
>>>knowing the dogs, for many generations, helps more. I
>>>grew up hunting with Plott breeders, Allisons, bear
>>>hunters, and they line bred close, also.Big
>advantages
>>>in line breeding, if you plan to breed long term.
>Rex
>>Hi Rex, Idont know if ya remember me or not but about
>>14 or 15 yrs. ago you sent me a letter about my old
>>original females family back ground. Her name was
>>brandy and she was out of goldie and amos, she was a
>>nice bear dog but more important she always produced
>>better dogs than she was, that is what im breeding on
>>still today. It seems the males are more agressive on
>>bear than the females although ive had a couple
>>females that will put it on a bear, my males usually
>>get killed by the time of 4-6 yrs. of age. I got to go
>>to work, see ya. mike
> Hey Mike, sure do remember! I really wanted a pup
>from Brandy. For several years I had really bad health
>and just about got out of dogs. Have never been able
>to hunt much since then, but managed to train a couple
>dogs since then. I am sure your dogs are the right
>kind, and sure you agree with me, on each generation
>getting better. Write, or call me sometime.
> While I'm on here, I'd like to comment on a couple
>dogs. Jason Abbotts Dagwood dog would pass for Sam's
>Offspring. If you see pictures of him and my Maggie
>female{deceased} they are clones. Hear lots of good
>things about Dagwood, wish Jason would come down here
>and get Cheeta and breed her to Dagwood. She's in heat
>now, Jason, are you there??
>Also Brandon Thompson's Newt}deceased} while from
>another family , sure reproduced well bred to females
>from Dutchman Creek breeding. I feel these two dogs
>will leave their mark, and would complement the west
>coast bred Leopards. Thanks, Rex

Hey Rex,
Put me down for one(male).... The end of Jan. would be perfect time for a new addition.

Ramie

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