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Date Posted: 12:26:46 05/07/12 Mon
Author: Lewis H.
Author Host/IP: adsl-98-85-32-6.mco.bellsouth.net / 98.85.32.6
Subject: Am I wrong or is Oz ...

the only character that appeared in the opening credits that never died?

Buffy has died twice (didn't stick

Xander and Willow got turned to vamps and then got staked in an alternate universe.

Cordelia got killed in that same alternate universe and then later died for real on Angel in Your Welcome.

Anya and Spike both died in the series finale. (Spike got
better Anya did not.)

Joyce died in Season 5

Giles died in the Season 8 comic.

Angel died at the end of Season 2 (I think getting stabbed and sucked into a hell dimension counts. Of course he came back.)

I guess Dawn appears in the opening credits too though and despite my fervent wishes she never died either. (but then she was never alive in the first place.)

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[> Yes, technically Oz and Dawn. -- kim, 11:23:43 05/08/12 Tue (cpe-75-82-41-188.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.41.188)


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[> What about... -- Robert, 20:15:21 05/08/12 Tue (c-68-38-198-211.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/68.38.198.211)

What about Riley? I don't read the comics, so I have no idea if he died after season 7, but he was alive when we last saw him in the tv series. Though I'm sure plenty of people *wished* him dead... :)


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[> [> Re: What about... -- kim, 04:54:50 05/09/12 Wed (cpe-75-82-41-188.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.41.188)

He was in the comics, too, but I don't know if he's made it into season 9.


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[> [> Re: What about... -- Lewis H., 20:00:31 05/09/12 Wed (adsl-98-85-32-6.mco.bellsouth.net/98.85.32.6)

Didn't remember Riley in the credits. So I guess being in the credits wasn't quite the kiss of death I thought it was. Originally it was supposed to be sort of a surprise with Xander's friend being in the original opening credits and then dying almost immediately. I think that is still actually pretty cool but I've always though killing off characters after that was a bit too much Grand Guignol for me. Joyce being the only death that, imo, was done for anything other than shock value.

Honestly, who wants to read a book or watch a movie and get attached to characters only to have them die? It's not like a Shakespearean tragedy or a Russian novel where you know what you're getting coming in.


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[> Re: Am I wrong or is Oz ... -- Saltygoodness, 07:05:31 05/09/12 Wed (NoHost/108.224.46.228)

I always felt Joss was killing Buffy to keep Sarah in line. Of course, he could hardly have replaced her after Season 1, but maybe Dawn was introduced to take over her sister's place. Another threat to Sarah. Matters not. Buffy was some of the most riveting and interesting television I have ever seen. Now, you younguns, you know someone who has been watching the blasted tube since its inception. Buffy and later, Angel, were both grand shows. But to answer the original question and disprove the rumor Salty has gone around the bend, Oz and Dawn were, along with Riley, the only characters to not die on the show. I think Joss kept Dawn around to aggravate the fans who hated her so much.


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[> [> Re: And then there is Andrew -- chuckit25, 14:59:47 05/13/12 Sun (cpe-76-84-130-127.neb.res.rr.com/76.84.130.127)

PLEASE! Just end this annoying (betraying) indulged "pet" and nerdy now Dollhouse "wonder."

Joss loves the annoying ones and kills off those we care for; I don't even know if in season 8 if Oz was one of the wolves or what happened to Bae and his kid in Tibet? Anyone know?

It doesn't seem "they" have any interest in Willow other than to keep her a magic junkie. Too bad. She had so much more to her. Now that is annoying. SPOILER ALERT:


Willow and Faith and Angel will go with Connor to Quortoth.

Does anyone even care? Joss is again "doing too much" so these comics are "just comics" now to me. I am mighty glad I read Bryan Lynch's "After the Fall." Good place to end it in "my" understanding of Angel "becoming a real boy."

Be well
chuckit25


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