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Date Posted: 13:58:41 02/04/17 Sat
Author: Knut Holt
Subject: Interesting polls about secret, strange and abusive things happening to children and adults

Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood


by Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no

http://www.abicana.com


Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events

Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.

Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.

Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.

I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.

The address of the poll:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524


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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:

In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395

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Poll about cystoscopy:

By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327

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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976

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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:

There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are.

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807


All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.


Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no

http://www.abicana.com

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[> Some results from the polls so far -- Knuit Holt, 14:10:56 02/04/17 Sat

Age 16yo

Boy, 16yo, NA, 1970-1979, North America, Body inspections and function tests, because of unusual behavior

Boy, 16yo, North America, Body inspections and function tests, because of unusual behavior

I am male. It happened in North America. 1970-1979 when I was 16 years old. There was no announcement of anything. My mother took me to a new doctor. She drove me to the exam at the doctors office. Children with some kind of unusual bahavior or interests had this exam.

Preparations before the exam

I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. They washed my body before the exam. I got a traditional enema before the exam to clean out my stomach. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. They placed me upon an advanced surgical table. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices.mI got a blood pressure monitor in me. I got electrodes on my head. I got a tube or sond in through my anus. I did not get any anesthesia.

Two nurses in full classic uniform took me from my mother in the waiting room and led me by the hand to the exam room. They put on masks and gloves in front of me. They stripped me completely and put me on the exam table. They positioned me so my bottom was hanging slightly over the end of the table and strapped my legs into stirrups with knee rests. Then they strapped me down to the rest of the table with medical restraints. My wrists were cuffed together to the table above my head. They blindfolded me with a thick black cloth and strapped my head to the table. Then they gagged me with a tube to keep my mouth open that strapped down to the table. I was scared and excited at the same time. The nuses were very professional about preparing me and I could tell they were physically in control of me. The way they handled me told me not to resist.

The doctor came in and told me she was going to give me a very thorough exam and expected me to be a good boy for her. She started with ears, nose and throat, then worked her way down my body. She gave orders to the nurses who helped her put things in my openings.They gave me two enemas and used inflatable balls to keep the tube in place while they filled my colon and kept the warm water in me.

Exams using outer equipment: They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube. They used electrodes to record functions inside my head. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

Esams using inserted instruments: They ispected the inside of my nose with a scope. They took specimens from my nose with a tube. They inspected the inside of my throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube.

They took specimens from my urethra and my bladder with a tube.

They inspected my anus with a speculum. They took specimens from my anus with a tube. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope. The doctor explored my anus with a finger.

Arrangements after the exam: I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I just lay some time in a bed to recover.

I was kept strapped down to the exam table, still blindfolded and gagged, for another hour after the procedures were finished. My legs were still strapped into the stirrups with knee rests and my head was still strapped down to the table. I couldn't move. They finally released me and dressed me, then removed the blindfold.

They were still masked and gloved. I was taken to the waiting room to see my mother. The nurses told her I had been a good boy.

My feelings about the ordeal: I felt violated but I was fine with it because they were women and it felt good most of the time. They were uncomfortable, but not painful.

The school I atttended: I attended ordinary daytime school. My school was just an ordinary public school.

COMMENTS

What is told about here is a standardized exam used to assess the development and function of male children and teenage boys. During these exams, the boy is placed in a surgical position whith arms flexed up above the head, so that the underside of the shoulders are open, and with legs in stirrups so that the rectal opening is fully in view and the penis with the urethral opening is also easy to access. Also full access into the thrount is secured by devices to hold the mouth open.

One reason for doing these exams is problems during puberty that impairs functions like urination, problems with bovel movements, unusual sexual behvior and movement problems in the hip joints, which in turn can be seen in behavior or as concentraion difficulties during school work.

Some communities or schools let all boys undergo this exam, usually early at the age of 6-7, in the preteen period and in the early to mid part of puberty. Similar procedures are commonly done on girls.

Such pelvic problems or sexual behavior might be the reason why this boy had the exam.

The procedure is very common, but litttle known about, because most boys get general anesthesia for the procedure nowadays. In the 1970es such exams were often done without general anesthesia, and with other means to take away pain and controle the boy. These means may still be used befor the general anesthesia is administered:

The staff made the boy cooperative and comfortable with a combination of authoritarian behavior and extremely gentle handling, and a talk with the purpose of making the boy understand or believe that this exam was for his own best.

The flexing of arms up over the head so that the shoulder area opens, gives a reflexive relaxation of the body which the staff took advantage of.

The spreading and flexing of the legs so that the rectal area get stretched an wide open gives a similar relaxation.

He probably got local anesthesia unserted into his body opening, and probably he got N2O-gas through the tube going into his mouth to relax him.

His account tells that these procedures were done on him that were standard at that time for in this standard procrdure:

There was a functional test of the nerve system
They did a functional test of the respiratory function and heart, inspected the respiratory organs and took specimens from mouth, nose and throut.
They imspected and took specimens from the anal region and high up in the stomach by instruments inserted through his anus.
They examined his colon endoscopically.
They imspected his genitals and took specimens from his penis, urethra and bladder
They performed cystoscopy.
It is highly possible that the inspected him inside all the way up to each kidney.
The staff doing these exams tend to keep as much secret as they can regarding equipment and the identity of the doctor. I this case they did it by blindfolding the boy. Nowasays they tend to use general anesthesia with the same purpose.

Edited by Knut Holt


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Girl. 16 yo, Australia, examined at boarding school

I am female. It happened in Australia in 2010-2014. I was 16 years old. I thought it was a regular exam. I was transported in a bus in group from our school. It happened it a special medical room in a building belonging to the the school apart from the nurse office. When the time for the exam came, kids seemed to be randomly picked up and transported to the exam.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. They washed my body before the exam. My stomach was cleaned out by a tube inserted into my anus that was connected to some pump and flush mashine. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam.

They placed me upon something like a dentist's chair, but with devices to lift my legs onto. I did not get any anesthesia apart from lubricating and numbing cream into my vagina and injected into my anus.

External tests:
They did some other type of test with advanced machines. They examined my stomach area with an ultrasound device or something similar. They took chest x-ray pictures. They took stomach x-ray pictures. They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

Inspections inside the body:
They ispected the inside of my nose and throut with a scope. They took specimens from my throut with a tube. They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope.

They took specimens from my urethra with a tube. They took specimens from my bladder with a tube. They used a speculum in my vagina. They took specimens from my vagina with a tube. They inspected my vagina with a scope.

They inspected my anus with a speculum. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They inspected me through my anus high up with a flexible scope.

They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe. The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. The doctor explored my anus with a finger. They gave me a thorough dental examination too. I felt all this humiliating but still a turn on.

Arrangements after the exam:
I had catheter into my bladder. I had a tube going in through my anus. I lay with my legs in stirrups some time after the exam. I attended private boarding school.

COMMEnTS:

t seems this girl and probably other kids, were not allowed to eat before the exam, but were not told much of the reason for this. It also seems that it came as a surprice when some of them were gathered in a bus for transport to the exam. Based on the account it looks like this happpened in a separate annex belonging to the school some distance away from the main school area.

It looks like the boarding school this girl attended, participated in a surveillance or research program regarding the development of children and teens where all aspekts of their health and development were recorded. This type of program seems to be going on in all parts of the world that have a strong political and medically professional connection with USA and UK. Apart from USA and UK, Australa and Canada over and over again figure in experience account like this.

In many of the account the young person is laying after the exam in stirrups with tubes going into body openings and with electrodes on their body. This may be to record body functions.

But it is possible that something is done during the exam that make the kid lose controle of body functions for some time and that this arrangement has the aim of helping body functions during recovery time. Much of the these exams seem to be done in an a wake state, because certain functions can only be studied properly when the kid is awake.

Even though the kid often do not remember any other anesthesia, it is still possible that they get put totally to sleep some time during some parts of the exam, or the lower part of the body got paralyzed, and that made it necessary with special arrangements afterwards.




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Age 17yo


Boy, 17yo, North America, complete exam with extensive x-ray and probably pelvic inspections


I am male. It happened in North America, Before 1970, 17 year old. They only told that I had to have a complete physical I went there alone by myself to a doctors office. All children with some kind of health problem semmed to have been called in.

Preparations:
I was not allowed to eat some time before the exam. I got laxatives at home to clean out my stomach the day before the exam. I was totally naked through all the procedures. I had to strip totally naked before the exam. They placed me upon a simple examination table. I was placed to lay on my back with my legs flexed up, spread and mounted upon two devices. I was also placed to lay on my stomach with my legs flexed down and spread, on my right side and on my left side.

I got a device on a finger or a toe to measure pulse and oxygen in my blood. I got a blood pressure monitor wrapped around an arm or a toe I got electrodes on my cheast, on my stomach or hip region and on my legs.


I was put completely to sleep. I basically don't remember anything past the prepping when I arrived.

Examinations with external equipment:
They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas.","They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube.

They examined my head or neck, my upper body, my stomach area and my shoulder area, my hip area, arms and my legs with an ultrasound device or something similar.


They took x-ray pictures of my chest, stomach, shoulder area, hip area and limbs.

They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

Internal procedures:
I cannot remember any internal procedure like those mentioned.

Arrangements after the exam
I had catheter into my bladder. I lay some time in a bed to recover, under a blanket after the exam.

The school I attended:
I attended ordinary daytime school. Just a regular public school,


COMMENTS

It seems that he was called in for an assessment of all body parts, and that this society had such a comprehensive assessment as standard for all children and teens with som kind of medical problems. It happened before 1970 and that shows this kind of assessments have a long tradition.

Even though he does not remember any internal exam, because he was under anesthesia, they almost certainly performed an endoscopic exam through his anus and through his urethra. Possibly they performed x-ray exams or ultrasound exams of his colon and his bladder with contrast fluid instilled through his anus or urethra.

The stomach preparations, that he was put to sleep, the catheter afterwards and the way he was placed on the examination table indicates this.

It is possible he woke up during the internal exams and remember how he was placed, but not the exam itself.




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Girl, 17yo, NA, a fieldtrip for pelvic and other comprehensive exams

I am female. It happened in North America, 2015 or later. 17 year old. I did not know where I was going till we got there. In a bus in group from our school. It was at 10 am
At a special establishment used for these type of exams.

A selected percentage of the children in my school of the age group. All of us were cute pretty girls.

PREPARATIONS FOR THE EXAM:
They washed my body before the exam. I was given a gown and kept underwear on in the time I stayed awake. The staff took my clothes off some time before the anesthesia had made its effect.

I was placed to lay on my right side. I got electrodes on my cheast, my stomach or hip region, my legs and my head.

I got a tube or wire in through my urethra. I got a tube or sond in through my anus. I got something to swallow. I got anesthesia through a tube into my anus that had effect on my whole body. They paralyzed my whole body and I got artificial breathing. I was put completely to sleep.

All I remember is I was on my side I was knoked out so fast I could not see strait.

EXAMINTIONS WITH EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT:
They performed an EEC (electroencephalogram) - functional test of the brain with electrodes on the head. They performed an ECG, functional test of the heart function, with electrodes on my chest and other body areas. They performed an analysis of my breathing and oxygen uptake where I had to breath into a tube.

They examined me with an ultrasound device or something similar at my head or neck, my upper body, my stomach area, my shoulder area, my hip area and my arms and legs.

They took x-ray pictures of my chest, shoulder area, hip area, stomach and my limbs.

They used electrodes to record functions inside my head. They used electrodes at my chest to record body functions. They used electrodes at my belly to record body functions. They ued electrodes at my limbs to record body functions.


They examined my genitals with an ultrasound device. They had electrodes at my genitals to record functions in this area.

EXAMINATION WITH INSTRUMENTS INSERTED INTO BODY AREAS:
They inspected the inside of my urethra and bladder with a scope.

The doctor explored my vagina with a finger. They used a speculum in my vagina. They inspected my vagina with a scope.

The doctor explored my anus with a finger. They inspected me through my anus with a rigid scope. They performed a full colonoscopy with a flexible scope.

They inspected me through my vagina with an ultrasound probe. They inspected me through my anus with an ultrasound probe.

They made an opening in my belly button or just under it and inspected the inside of my belly with a scope. They took specimens from the inside of my belly with a needle or tube through a hole in my belly button.


I was asleep so I did not experience the internal exams from my own sensing, but got to know about it afterwards.

ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE EXAM:
They held me inconscious for some hours, so I do not remember all of the arrangements.
I lay naked under a blanket after the exam. No other arrangement I can remember. I got bak in a bus.

THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED
I went to some school for kids with special needs.

COMMENTS:
This ordeal seems to follow an exam standard that certain selected schools in several areas around the world perform at children or teen at specific age levels.

Special schools in these areas always seem to participate in these programs, but also many common public schools participate.

Typical for these ordeals is a practice of bussing the children to the exam without giving them much information beforehand. Typical is also a gynecological exam for girls and a similar exam for boys when they still are conscious. It is not clear from the answar how much of this exam was done when they were conscious and how much under general anesthesia.

Then they are put through a washing procedure, and then a comprehensive internal exam under general anesthesia.

The electrodes told about was surely for monitoring during the period under anesthesia, but probably also for functional test of the blood circulation and nervous system.

In this case they were knocked out with anesthesia given through their anus, and then got bodies paralyzed, intubated, anesthetic gas and artificial ventilation. In this case they also got catheter through their urethra before the anesthesia. This catheter was possibly placed there during the wasing procedure.

What the kids get to know about the exam done under anesthesia differs conciderably, but older kids tend to get to know what has been done afterwards through written material, by their parents or because they ask. Many kids figure out what has been done out of equipment they see, preparantions, symptoms afterwords or because they wake up during the procedure.

In this case it seems that the kids were held under anesthesia several hours after the internal exams, probably by means of medication through IVs. It is highly possible they had arrangements like IVs, catheter, oxygen mask or breathing tube, elctrodes or anal tube in this period, but that most of it was taken out just before they were fully awake, so they do not remmeber it.


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