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Date Posted: 14:43:02 10/08/04 Fri
Author: J.J.
Subject: $ and exposure
In reply to: LarryL9797 's message, "Re: QU gets a leg up on new arena" on 13:21:14 10/08/04 Fri

I agree, there are some realities that will limit CCSU in its athletic (and other) endevors, and they generally relate to $ and exposure:

1) Private schools like QU, UHa, Fairfield, and SHU can raise $ much easier than a public university. They also often have a precieved "academic advantage" due partly to the fact that they are private and they are generally "more selective" in their admissions.

2) Our local "public peers" like UMass, Maine, UVM, or even Albany have a larger enrollments and are research and doctoral based universities which get much more financial support from their state. They are flagships schools and often have law and medical schools which in turn lead to more support from their legislature.

3) UConn, UConn, UConn. National champsionships, national exposure, Huskymania, etc. There is no doubt that CT's flagship univeristy is head and shoulder above CCSU (and rightly so), but when two multi-million dollar capital investments are signed by the Legislature less than 4 years apart, you have to say "What the hell?"

I've said it before the Univesity as a whole (not just athletics) needs to try to partner with UConn, or at least leverage our similarities with them at the statehouse.

Central has only 700 less in-state freshman as UConn does. As UConn becomes a national university and not a sleepy state college in rural CT, it is accepting less in-state students. And who can fill that void - Central! It is the responsibility of our state to provide resources for ALL residents wishing to further their education, not just the ones that go to UConn. UConn is the big dog (no pun intended), but Central must reamin a viable option for students who can not or do not want to go to UConn. The current UConn capital budget larger than entire CSU capital budget, although it has far less students. Also, according to the Office of Fiscal Analysis, in 1994-95 the FTE state contribution was $ 8,331 to UConn, $ 4,300 to CSU, and $ 3,754 to the Community-Technical Colleges. That means UConn got almost 2x as much in state funding than CSU per student and CSU got a few hundred more dollars that a community college - I wonder what amount is today?

The bottom line and we all know it - is its just not fair. Let's hope an increase in funding becomes a bigger concern from the school, CSU Board of Trustess, and the legislature in the immediate future.

I would love for CCSU to join another conference, but they all spend much more than NEC does now, so where could we go without more $?. As for CCSU being the lone public school in a private league (NEC), you just have to look at UConn's joining the BE in 1980. They were the only public school, but they state finally invested and the rest is history! And no, I'm not comparing the BE to the NEC, but something can be done if people are willing.

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[> [> [> An ideal facility -- J.J., 16:08:36 10/08/04 Fri

I know there are only a few of us on this board ‘til basketball season begins, but if anybody with any clout has a chance they should check this out. I mean after what the State of CT paid for Renschler Field for less than a dozen events a year, this is a bargain.

Yes, I know CCSU hasn't come close to the on-court success as the 'Dogs have, plus this is another private school, but I found this link from the Fairfield Board and I think it looks perfect on the inside. Check out Gonzaga's new arena "The Kennel" <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.gonzagaarena.com/default.aspx">http://www.gonzagaarena.com/default.aspx</a>

The capacity is 6,000, at a cost of only $23 million. This is a perfect size and reasonable cost for a CCSU on-campus facility. With this type of facility you could actually hold graduation on campus! Again, this could be presented as more than just a basketball gym, but a campus resource. In fact, this is cheaper than Binghamton's new (and great looking) events center ($33 million). Let's hope the "right" people eventually get this type of info and see the light.

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[> [> [> [> Re: An ideal facility -- Larryl9797, 11:18:27 10/11/04 Mon

You should forward this to the Athletic director, CJ Jones.
I would keep in mind that this arena would be used for probably 15-20 years and you would want to keep growth in the picture. I have always had dreams of Central joining the A-10. Would a 6000 seat arena be enough? hmmmmmm?

I have always said that you could raise the roof of the current gym, push out the walls and install stadium style seating, thats always another option. But it would never replace the excitment that comes from opening a new facility.

Again this will come from the State giving the respect that Central deserves, get on-board, shell out the dough.
Without a full blown president, that just will not happen.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: An ideal facility -- inside, 17:22:27 10/11/04 Mon

CJ is not the person that needs convincing. The decision comes from much higher up.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: An ideal facility -- J.J., 11:00:29 10/12/04 Tue

Insider - that much I know. As you indicated before, a permanent president needs to be in place and then CCSU administration and students need to make a decision that this type of facility is a high priority for the campus. If that doesn't happen, then this is just pie in the sky stuff.

However, since the Master Plan has been in place they have built a dorm (James), an academic building (Vance) and renovated many others (Student Center, Copernicus, etc.). The fieldhouse is on the drawing board, but I think they still want to build another academic building before they address a fieldhouse - its priority has slipped a little. If the time isn't right now, it shouldn't be too far off (lets hope within a year or two). Once the school agrees it is a high priority, the next step would be the CSU BOT, then the Legislature. Its a tough process, but as an "outsider" with experience in public budgeting, from the comments made in the Herald and in the CSU budget docs, it is a real possibility, but it will need a lot of support when the time comes.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: An ideal facility -- inside, 12:33:20 10/12/04 Tue

Agreed. Of course if one of you guys wants to donate the $$$ and earmark it for the facility we could avoid all of that red tape!

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[> [> [> Upgrading college athletic facilities a sport of its own -- J.J., 12:04:36 10/12/04 Tue

From the NH Register:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13110913&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7592&rfi=6">http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13110913&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7592&rfi=6</a>


• Installed Fieldturf, and upgraded bleachers, locker rooms and press box for football stadium, and built fencing around the soccer field for $5.323 million.

• Completed addition on Kaiser Hall in the fall of 2002, adding coaches’ areas, administrative wing, renovated both lobby and locker rooms for men’s and women’s basketball, and built new physical education offices for $5.997 million.

• Have also upgraded baseball and softball fields and plan to replace basketball court (still have original floor from 1965) and upgrade bleachers in Kaiser Hall beginning this spring.

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