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Date Posted: 19:42:50 13/03/01 Tue
Author: 囉仔
Subject: Re: 旁觀者
In reply to: 玉林 's message, "旁觀者" on 13:31:26 13/03/01 Tue

好好好~有多一個意見~
或者想問你你年紀有幾大?信左有幾耐?

我唔係無神論者,基督教某D論點我採取觀望態度
冇錯,信仰問題係以信心為先,但唔可以違反理性,否則會好危險。
我係上次返香港之前主要「研究」(<--絕對誇大^_^)有咩證據證明基督教,由香港返黎之後我就主要睇關於苦難呀、道德呀等論題。但無論係咩都好,我都係本著理性為先既大前題黎思考既,同樣,我希望基督徒可以係信仰同理性之間取得一個平衡點,而唔係反智。有機會我整篇S.C既「基督教是反智的宗教」畀大家睇,你就知情況有幾咁嚴重

好喇,引言就講完喇,入正題

>討論信仰問題,反而將重點放在邏輯推論上,有否本末倒置之嫌?所謂「信仰」、「信徒」,著眼點在於「信」字。

倒返轉我問你,你能唔用邏輯去思考嘛?既然邏輯係思考既必然工具,就唔會有所講本末倒置之嫌

>作為基督徒的要承認,基督教中確確實實有令人不能明白和解釋之處。為何在傳福音時有人不信? 其實可拿出來討論的理據都已囊空如洗,欠缺的只是當時人一念之差。

其實可拿出來討論的理據都已囊空如洗.....真係?
網基版友S.C係網基版設擂台挑戰各位基督徒關於苦難問題,我睇咁多年網基版從來冇人駁得過佢\,真係囊空如洗?
我認為你所講既囊空如洗只係你一廂情願既諗法。
苦難問題係上次但版冇拎出黎討論過,有機會可以講下

>信或不信,可信或不可信,在我而言,是感覺,是非理性的。若不須感動,只要邏輯,我們禱告時不會說「求聖靈作工,感動某某…」

問題係究竟係「非理性」定係「反理性」
有好多野係非理性既,咁冇問題
但係反理性你仲要信就大大不妥

>個人如若能沖破理性,在情感上接受神愛他,甚麼暴行不暴行對他已全是廢話。

第一、神真愛你?
出4:24
摩西在路上住宿的地方,耶和華遇見他,
想要殺他.西坡拉就拿一塊火石,割下他
兒子的陽皮,..這樣耶和華才放了他.

為左一塊包皮佢\就想殺人喇,仲有好多好多既經文可以質疑到上帝愛你呢個論斷

第二、
請解釋沖破理性

假如係非理性既,冇必要衝破佢\
但假如係反理性呢?你就有必要衝破佢\喇
所以我認為你所謂既「衝」破理性實質上係違反理性,衝破理性只係個名好聽D jer。違反理性既事我唔認同

最後一點
我又玩下更改主語遊戲

個人如若能沖破理性,在情感上接受你老公愛你,什麼虐妻呀、包二奶呀......對他已全是廢話。

合理嘛?

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