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Date Posted: Tue, Sep 07 2004, 10:58:01 PDT
Author: PD
Author Host/IP: user-12lclel.cable.mindspring.com / 69.86.85.213
Subject: Re: Chen Pan Ling Tai Chi Form
In reply to: James Anthony 's message, "Chen Pan Ling Tai Chi Form" on Tue, Sep 07 2004, 4:09:45 PDT

As Chen Panling taught and conceived of the form, no, it does not deliberately include elements of xingyi or bagua. However, the zhongnan lineage of Wang Shujin practices the form differently, employing many elements, including the back-weighted santi stance, from xingyi and bagua. It is important to keep in mind that up until the mid- 1970s, Wang Shujin's taiji form was essentially the same as Chen Panling's form (I have seen several videos of his taiji from this period). I suspect that the reason Master Wang's lineage practices it so differently is because as Wang got older his forms became less clearly defined and the three neijia became less distinguishable from one another in their manifestation. Many of those teaching now learned from him during the 1970s as he was getting older and those who stayed with him from the earlier period probably continued to copy his movements as they perceived them(even as they changed because of age) . It also clearly has to do with Master Wang's physical size which influenced how he practiced his form BUT also, for better or worse, how his students practiced it. In any case, both ways of practicing CPL's taiji have their advantages and disadvantages.

Another ‘problem’ is that Mr. Wang Fulai of the Chengming Association has continued to claim that his taiji is altogether different from Chen Panling’s and that the two forms origin is different too. This is his own story and not one that can be substantiated elsewhere. Master Wang Shujin openly acknowledged Chen Panling as his taiji teacher so there should be no question as to the origin of his form.

So, the short answer is: the CPL form does not contain elements from xingyi or bagua (it is, as I am sure you know already, a composite form of Wu, small frame Yang and Chen styles with its main structure from Wu style/small Yang and an infusion of certain chen elements and, importantly, chansijin). However, many practitioners in Wang Shujin’s lineage practice it with a distinct xingyi/bagua flavour.

Hope this helps.

PD

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