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Subject: I guess the we Author: Gene [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:42:17 02/04/06 Sat vs. them controversey isn't dead. It is alive and doing well, with the tyranny superimposed upon the people by the newbies in power with there ever knowing attitude and leaving people out of the decision making process. Witness to the letters in the Inde and R-S commenting on same. I am not alone contrary to the newbies denial of its existence as they assail anyone who is not of their like mind set. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: As hard as you try... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:49:07 02/07/06 Tue ...to create such a division by claiming that it is true - you are wrong, and will end up - as you and Tom did on SLC - with egg on your face once again. Several Letters to the Editor of the Independent have already offered a correction of their iresponsible reporter's reliance on your quote as the lead for his article. Many of these letters are written by those you classify as "we" and many by those you classify as "them." Just as in the SLC controversy, there were many long-term residents who opposed it and many more-recent arrivals. You claimed then it was "us vs. them" and you were proved wrong by the fact that Dan Grandinetti (among many other examples) - who could hardly be classed as "them" - opposed the SLC proposal, as did many other individuals whose families have lived in the region for generations. The Rail-Trail will be a boon for everyone - preserving open space and making more public land for all of us to use and enjoy. It can also be a tourist attraction bringing a new stream of revenue into the local economy. Everyone who cares about Columbia County and wants to see it protected from becoming an endless Greenport-style strip of malls and developments should support the Rail-Trail - whether they are long-term residents or transplants - and they do. Trying to inflate your own false sense of self-importance by identifying yourself (inaccurately) as "one of us" - as if having been born in a place and never having had the gumption or talent to go beyond it was some sort of special quality - is a childish game, and only confuses the issue - but of course, that's what you want - as long as you get your name in the paper...

[> [> Subject: Re: When you get a chance... Author: Gene [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:02:11 02/08/06 Wed Try reading the R-S and the Inde, take your head out of the sand, listen to the people on the street to get the inside info.

[> [> [> Subject: You and a very small handful... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:56:03 02/09/06 Thu ...of fellow travelers hope to bamboozle the general public by setting up a simplistic and false "black and white" answer to nearly all problems by imagining an "Us" made up of people who think like you do (the dozen or two of them) and a "Them" - people who disagree with you. Then you write letters to the press and give interviews - or speak through phoney mouthpieces like the HVEEC - to try to indentify the "Us" and "Them" with some position totally unrelated to the issue - mostly the duration of their residence in the County - in a way that makes it appear as if you are speaking for more than yourself and a tiny handful of negative thinkers. But after the SLC debacle and the way you and Tom destroyed your credibility there, you won't get much traction on this one.

[> [> [> [> Subject: What about the farmer Author: Gene [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:42:32 02/09/06 Thu From your new hometown who said if people don't like chickens they shouldn't come there. I hope you like chickens.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Look at all... Author: Ned Depew [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:19:59 02/10/06 Fri ...the bird-brained comments I put up with here and on Tim's board! Not to mention "dumb clucks" ;-) I'm guessing that chickens will offer at least as high a level of discourse. "Old-timers" and "newcomers" alike in Stuyvesant seem unhappy (and rightly so, IMHO) with the Town Board's action in the "Chicken Matter." This is the kind of silly petty dispute that makes so much fodder for the BritComs about "country life" (e.g. "The Vicar of Dibley" or "Ballykissangel"). Even in real life - athough it has the potential to be somewhat more annoying - it is generally entertaining.