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Subject: Killer hospitals, Wow!


Author:
Gene
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Date Posted: 14:20:22 08/02/05 Tue

Heard on the TV news 260 people a day die in hospitals in the U.S. due to negligence and mistakes. That's 94900 people in one year, folks. It would seem to me FoH and the Nimby's went after the wrong business. I bet the cement industry is far safer than a hospital. but again what do Tom and I know? Answer, just what we read and hear in the news. What's your take on these statistics, Mr. Depew?

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[> Subject: Re: Killer hospitals, Wow!


Author:
Thomas Koulos
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Date Posted: 07:00:44 08/03/05 Wed

Gene,Ned's too busy trying to figure out what happened to all those "OBJECTIONS" that were thrown out.:)The FoH nimbys are also getting their big guns ready to take on a cement plant in Ravena.:):)One solution to the vexing waste disposal problems is to stack tires etc. on those Nimbys and their practising Lawyers who have no solutions but an arsenal of lawsuits to milk the taxpayers and consumers with their delaying tactics. Tom Koulos
[> [> Subject: Lost in a fog of his own making


Author:
Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 11:11:16 08/03/05 Wed

Tom -

let's hear what you know about tire burning...

Do you have any idea what chemicals make up synthetic rubber? Can you tell us what chemicals are released when tires are burned? Have you done even the tiniest, most rudimentary research into this issue before you began shooting off your mouth?

I doubt it, judging by your past performance.

Google "tire burning" and "hazards." then read - then come back and let's have an informed discussion of this issue. You may want to inhale lungsful of dioxins - but those who would prefer to try to live cancer-free-lives, and would like to protect their children from unnecessary hazards may not.

Do you intend to oppose people's right to protect their children and families? Do you deny that dioxins are hazardous carcinogens - the most toxic carcinogens identified so far? Are you aware that concentrations of Dioxins too small to measure with current technology at the exhause stack are still large enough to have catastrophic effects?

Have you ever heard of "Cancer Alley?" Do you understand its implications for us?

Do you know anything at all about this subject beyond the fact that some people who you call "FoH NIMBYS" (and many other people including many in Greene and Rensselaer Counties who have never heard of FoH) are raising questions about the proposal? Or do you advise us once again to "trust the process," and do nothing - which seems to be what you do best.


[> Subject: Killer hospitals...


Author:
Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 12:22:02 08/03/05 Wed

Tom -

this is a real problem - between medical "accidents" and iatrogenic disease/antibiotic-resistant bacteria our hospitals are becoming a threat to our health.

I agree that at present we should do our best to avoid them - although there are times when they are unavoidable, and at those times they are in fact indispensible - ah, the irony!

Do we have what some critics have called "a sick attitude towards healing" that focuses on ameliorating symptoms at any cost, without regard for the long-term effects of such treatment?

Our wild over-use of antibiotics - even in cases where they are merely palliative, rather than necessary - has created "Frankenbacteria" that resist even the most potent drugs - and these highly-resistant bacteria are proliferating and spreading - even sharing their resistances with other bacteria - as antibiotics kill off competitors!

I agree that the whole approach to health care has to be changed - it is already moving in that direction, in tiny baby steps. We need to spend as much money on avoiding illness, on keeping people healthy and helping them to avoid known health hazards like smoking, pollution, carcinogens, etc, as we do on treating the avoidable diseases they then contract.

Our "Health Care System" needs to place as much emphasis on "health" as it does on illness! The fact of the name change - while on the one hand it could evolve into Orwellian "newspeak" - could presage that change of attitude - which many people are already embracing, in the form of taking dietary supplements, eating healthy diets, exercising and otherwise trying to promote their own health rather than waiting till they have to deal with "illness."

Hospitals should be a "necessary evil" - the "last resort" of the truly ill - rather than a routine source of care for all. Every industrialized country on earth - except our own - has universal health care for all its people that is based on public free clinics - not hospitals - that supply routine care. It's a model we should have started following long ago.
[> [> Subject: Dr. Welby - you out there?.


Author:
Ned Depew
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Date Posted: 13:02:07 08/03/05 Wed

If you are reading this, I'd love to hear your educated reaction to this problem.


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