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Subject: LGM or HMI Membership Scam


Author:
Choy Weng Tuck Edmund
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Date Posted: Sun, Jan 02 2005, 5:32:18

Dear: Friends

Before I start my message about this cheats, I must truely apologise to customers who have and may not have bought Holiday Membership through this company. To those who have, please accept my apologises. To those who did not, thank god you are not a victim. I hope you will never be.

Let me introduce myself at this moment, I am Edmund Choy and I used to work for *LGM Singapore Branch, located at Takashimaya Shopping Centre, Tower B, #16-01 as a Sales Consultant, my manager is Mr Bill Hedmen an American guy from Florida USA, but he prefers to us to tell our clients that he is one of the Founder of this company.

The reason I am e-mailing this is to tell all Singaporeans, tourist or others who maybe getting phone calls or if you would to be walking down Orchard Road, that that phone call or scrach card telling you that you have received a 8 days / 7 nights stay in 6 location world wide and also a S$50 seafood voucher is a scam. You have to sit down for a 75 mins minimum presentation in front of a Sales Consultant and his/her manager before you qualify for that "gift" you have been promised. This 75 mins presentation can last for hours, it's hard sales pitch and bad and sickening attitude from the manager before they would let you off. Just to let you know that the holiday gift does not exist unless you become a member of the club called CVC. This means Concepts Vacation Club. The minimum amount of money you MUST pay is S$288 to qualify for a 1 year trial membership. When you are signed out, the receptionist will tell you to fax the reply copy of your gift 1 month before you travel. In fact there is no free lunch in this world, you won't get it, if you have bought a trial membership you can even get your gift a week before you travel. This is a cheat isn't it?

If you can tolarate that kind of hard sales pitch from the manager, he can insult or scold the Sales Consultant infront of you. You like seeing this? The pitch will make you decide TODAY ONLY to join it's membership for a fee. The most amazing thing about this membership is that there is no fixed price. Manager A may come to your table and put down a S$40,000 joining fee but he will say to you, if you join us today the price is S$27,000, Manager B can come to another table and say that the joining fee is just S$27,000 with perks thrown in. They would ask you blatantly if you can afford it, most people can't of course. Then there is a 50 years program, a 25 years program, a 10 years program and even a 5 years program. Believe me different manangers price these programmes differently. Like I said that, there is no fixed price and also the extra perks thrown in, it's different. Then there is a Cash Reward Program that promises you to pay you back your membership fee in 5/7/10 years time after your last instalment is paid up. This again is rubbish, who in this world would give you money back to join them and get your money back? Thereafter your membership is free of charge for a lifetime. Then remember the 50 years, 25 years program to qualify for Cash Back. No Cash Back if you join for the 10 years or 5 years program, then this again depending on who the hell the manager is, he may even do Cash Back for you. There is no fixed rules in this company.

Please, my sincere advice is do not even get close to this office at Takashimaya. They will freeze you until you can't think straight, some people even sign on the doted line in a state of confusion. And that is a done deal already. No attoney can help you recover the money after this even you know you are cheated later on.

I am feeling guilty for working in this company for more than a month. The reason being I am being trained to cheat. I have stopped working there now, waiting for a better job opportunity. I went to a Police Station to report this case but this is being referred to CASE which stands for Consumer Association of Singapore. I alone can't be Jesus Christ, walk on water, feed the flock and save people from suffering. I need help too. I want all these companies to close down and go into trouble but I need support, to those who have been cheated please produce your documents to be examinated by the investigators from CASE, if you still do not feel convinced go to a Police Station and see what the Police can do for you. All they need is evidence from the victims and not an ex-employee. Only then CASE or the Police can take action. There is nothing to fear, the antidote to fear is action! Let's get rid of them.

For your Information:

*LGM - Leisure Group Marketing

*HMI - Holiday Marketing International

*Please take note that this is a timeshare company who tells you they are not. In fact they really are.

Persons whom you may want to look for:

Chairman - Mr Dwayne Hills

Managing Director (Singapore) - Mr Gary Simon

Regional Director/Founder (Singapore) Mr Bill Hedmen

Managers: Mr Mohan

Mr David Tepley

Mr Hari

Miss Katini

Miss Ivita

Mr Ramlan


I wish you the very best for 2005 and please publish this letter as soon as possible. Thank-you

Edmund Choy

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[> Subject: LGM or HMI Membership Scam


Author:
George
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Date Posted: Mon, Jan 03 2005, 2:59:49

Ha! So the Swedish arsehole Stephan Tornros is gone for good? Enter Americans Gary Simon and Bill Hedmen. Well i used to be a manager with the company - God forbid! Well i must agree with Edmund Choy. It's true what he mentioned. These time-share companies and holiday clubs which are mostly foreign owned enterprises are operating here just to fleece u of your hard-earned money and give u liabilities in return. First u loose a large sum of money to pay for the membership (and mind u the prices are not fixed but bargainable); then u pay an annual maintenance fee which may go up and u have to just pay and pay. Then u join an exchange company or another club (like CVC) and pay another annual membership fee. And all these just for the accomodation, mind u. And u get consultants and managers and the contracts officers who lie without battering an eyelid about what a wonderful membership u have signed up for and the most beautiful and highest standards resorts and hotels u and your family can enjoy. These are not guranteed!
Heh! i saw another familiar name among the managers - David Tepley! U mean David Tiplady who used to be working for Oriental Travels at the Borders building?
To know more about how Timeshare companies and Holiday Clubs operate a Cashback scheme to hookwink people pse go to http://www.timeshare.org.uk/cashback.html

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[> Subject: Will help!


Author:
ava
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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 11 2005, 11:46:06

Hello Edmund!

Pls email me with more details. I will try to help you!
At least to gather more pple!

It's time to bring these scumbags down!!!

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[> Subject: LGM


Author:
KID
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Date Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2005, 14:44:31

Hello!
I just signed a contract with LGM last Saturday, 19 Feb. After reading all the testimonies of the scam, I felt bad signing in. I already paid S$$$ deposit with them. Anyone can advise me how to cancel my membership?

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[> Subject: Quick cancel it!


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: Sat, Feb 26 2005, 9:53:20

KID, since you have just signed it recently, quickly go back and indicate your change of mind. There is now a cooling period for the consumers to use to cancel the timeshare they bought. I think within 1 week or 2 weeks.

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[> Subject: What do I need to do?


Author:
Ernest
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Date Posted: Fri, Mar 18 2005, 8:16:33

Hi everyone here.
I just stumbled upon this website early this week. I did a search on Google to find out some information regarding "LGM complaints". I've been seeking information from LGM regarding the transfer of the exchange company from RCI to II but no replies was forecoming from LGM.

I joined or purchase the timeshare for Australia more than 2 years ago. By the way, I've finished paying up my membership and received my certificate around October last year. It is terrible to be reading all the posting here regarding the scam. By the way, as I'm not a Singaporean and not living in Singapore, I wasn't aware of all this problems. I was on holiday in Singapore and chance upon LGM in Orchard road and was dupe into buying the timeshare. Thinking that Singapore is very safe, there wouldn't be any problems with cheating. I was shown the company registrar and the management told me that being located in the esteem Nee Ah City Towers (not sure of the spelling here), they were subjected to the normal inspection before they can set up a shop and wouldn't have a bad reputation.

Anyway, to cut the long story short, I've paid up my full fees, got my certificate and paid up my 1st year maintenance fee. Haven't used my week yet (so I'm still entitled for the 1 week I've paid from the maintenance fee). I don't know what to do at the moment and I'm lost as well. Being so far from Singapore, I only contact LGM via email. Should I sell off my timeshare membership to avoid paying a raising maintenance fee? What can I do? Also, are there any legal issues controling the maintenance fee raise? I was told during the product presentation that we have rights as members to ask and question all maintenance issues of the resort because, in a way we sort of own a share of the resort. But, sad to say I've not heard or receive any newsletter/updates from the resorts...


Anyone can help?

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[> Subject: LGM


Author:
Chong L.H.
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Date Posted: Sun, Mar 20 2005, 20:46:13

I only knew of this forum today when I surfed for info about Oriental Travel Pte Ltd. My husband and I are also victims of this LGM scam. We had paid $$$ and had even received the Concepts Programme Certificate which promises cashback 5 years later. Sometime ago, a Mr Michael Seet approached us at my doorstep and said he was trying to help us to convert our timeshare. As we had been trying to sell we listened to him and thus became victims. I'm very upset so please keep me informed of any actions that are being taken. I'm surprised that LGM can continue to operate for so many years.

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