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Date Posted: 17:52:36 07/18/07 Wed
Author: Randy (TexasReb)
Author Host/IP: cpe-66-25-204-230.sw.res.rr.com / 66.25.204.230
Subject: Re: Texas is not part of teh south!!!
In reply to: Travieso 's message, "Re: Texas is not part of teh south!!!" on 15:55:45 07/18/07 Wed

>Randy, I cannot reply much longer, because I must get
>back to work.

Thanks again for your reply, Travis. Here are mine...

>1. Ranching has been in Texas since the Spaniards.
>This goes back as far as the 17th century. The cowboy
>of Texas came from south America.

RANCHING, by your definition, goes back even further than THAT! You dont define it. Do you mean by "ranching" an economy dominated by large acreage of cattle? You must first define "ranching".

No, the Texas cowboy does NOT have its prototype in the 17th century. Oh yeah, perhaps, you could make that connection in the same way that a blunderbuss musket was a forerunner to a Springfield rifle. EVERYthing has a connection and evolution to SOMETHING. Mississippi and Alabama are "cattle states" too. They were also, at one time, possessions of Spain.

Bottom line. The original "Texas Cowboys" were mostly ex-Confederate soldiers and/or sons of them. Their habits and all were mostly derived from the original Anglo Southern stock, NOT the Mexican "Vaquero" THAT only makes sense, as most of them CAME west from East Texas and the Old South. Do you truly think they changed culture when they crossed the Sabine River? That is, with all due respect, ridiculous.


>2. Playing the race card? I don't know what you mean
>about that, but if you don't see things from other
>peoples perspectives you don't get a complete history.

All I can say here is, go back and read your own posts on THAT one. Look at the origin of times that race/ethnic backgroud is mentioned...

>3. Food? Yes, I do see what people around me are
>eating and it's not fried okra. I live in Central
>Texas now, not south Texas.

As I say, Travis, YOUR Texas is not MY Texas.

>4. Hispanic heritage? I have some of that, but I am
>mostly European by blood.(French, Irish, scot, with
>some hispanic and native American).

I respect that.

>5. My experience is not Texan? Well, by that
>definition, most Texans' experience is not Texan.

No. It is that your experience is not truly Texas. As to your definition of "most Texans"? I am really AM getting weary of arguing this point. Let me state it for the record:

86% of Texans considerer themselves to live in the South. 70% consider themselves Southerners. When given a choice, 71% of Texans chose "South" over "West". As a point of numerical reference? This figure beat out North Carolina and Virginia, and etc, etc. (although in those states, the alternate choice was "East")

With all due respect, it is you who seems to have an issue with this.

Also, please check out settlement patterns in Texas. PLEASE. Migrants from the Deep South tended to settle in East Texas, and those from the Upper South went to North and Central Texas. West Texas was a bit of a combination...

>
>Also, I think that your arguments come from your own
>perspective. YOur online name "Texasreb" shows your
>southern pride.

SURE it does! And I appreciate what you say!

>I'm glad you are proud of your southern roots, but for
>the majority of TExans outside of East TExas this is
>not the case.

See the figures on the Southern Focus Poll I posted (this is a culmination of 14 years of survey) What else CAN be said but how MOST Texans feel on being Southern or not?


>6. Sorry, but TExas did fair better than the majority
>of other confederate states because of ranching.
>Ranching did not come later as you say. Ranching has
>been practiced long before with the Canary Islands
>practicing it first.

*sighs* At LEAST you now admit Texas was a Confederate State! LOL Great. Earlier you didn't see, to acknowlege it at all!

BUT.. as long as we are on the subject?

Ranching came into being in Texas AFTER the War. Read the history of it!

>
>7. I would request that we keep this civil.


I very much agree. And I put it up for judgement of others to decide if this has not been the case so far...

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