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Subject: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

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小市民
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Date Posted: 14:00:04 08/10/04 Tue

plain fact:4f/u,1c,2e

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[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
左口通菜子
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Date Posted: 16:45:27 08/10/04 Tue

>plain fact:4f/u,1c,2e
點止!上屆高考7A班也只有6人成功入大專(包專上學院),今年升大人數更少,所以打算今年升濟記商科班的學弟要想清楚,十八九分恆商也考慮,有本事便好走,別貪方便,不信,可向校方求證

[> [> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
????
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Date Posted: 20:14:16 08/10/04 Tue

是什麼原因??

[> Subject: 過來人的一點修正及見解

Author:
HKIEd Wolf
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Date Posted: 23:04:10 08/10/04 Tue

大專(包專上學院)
包括樹仁,城大副學士,HKU Space AS&HD, Poly AS? 你說"專上學院"應包吧,那人數不只6人.

其次高考成功與否,只和個人負出成正比,與人無尤.盲目和師資,設備,資源等為一談實是推卸個人責任的說法.

濟記理科強亦有人repeat都no offer;文科弱亦有中大人.你有本事,一定有show off的機會.

做過負責任的人吧!師弟.

[> [> Subject: Re: 過來人的一點修正及 BAD 見解

Author:
Hung Ka Ho
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Date Posted: 20:46:51 08/11/04 Wed

>其次高考成功與否,只和個人負出成正比,與人無尤.盲目和師資
>,設備,資源等為一談實是推卸個人責任的說法.

I totally don’t agree with you.
There are many hard working students in 7A, but they still can't get any offer. I think the main reason is that they get half the result with twice the effort because the teachers teaching AL subjects can't help us. According to their hard work, they deserve a much better result!
You are just a 過來人 but not a 7A人, otherwise you would not make such comment.
If u said "高考成功與否,只和個人負(付) 出成正比" then why should our government spend so much money employing that kind of (rubbish) teachers???!!! Your statement may be true in the HKCEE but not in the HKAL. I think the importance of a good teacher and the student is just equal in the AL.
I honestly tell u that i am the one who get C in ACC this year. But my result should be attributed to my tutor but not Mr. William Wong!
Let me tell all of the students in SFXC something about Mr. William Wong's teaching
In the first term of F.6, he taught us with wrong syllabus for nearly half a year. The cancelled syllabus include "Bill of exchange" "Joint Venture" "Branch Account” and "Hire purchase" If you know something about Account, I think you will be shocked.
And for the new syllabus "cost accounting”, he totally don’t know how to teach. that's why we get this result!
If you can find out the mock exam paper or the exam papers in form six, you can get the evidence.
Actually Mr. Wong is not the only bad teacher in SFXC, other teachers teaching 7A also have many problems, especially Mr. 易. He always thinks that his Econ note is the best in the world. But the fact shows that it is not true.
Finally I would like to urge Mr. William Wong to retire earlier.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: 過來人的一點修正及 BAD 見解
Author: 祖 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:26:52 08/11/04 Wed 不幸... 我好明白你既感受， 3 年前，濟記高考會計拿 A,B,C grade 大有人在，不同老師教，成績簡直是天淵之別。

[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥
Author: 祖 [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:20:28 08/10/04 Tue 請問今年會計邊個老師教? 我想應該不是大頭黃吧... 以我經驗，濟記會計，不同老師教就有不同的成績，祝大家師弟好運吧~

[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
Chan Kwong Yu (ex-7A,)
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Date Posted: 22:02:00 08/11/04 Wed

blame, blame , blame ???
i believe that even if the teachers not good, by ur own hard work, can still get a good result. i was in 7A, Mr William Wong is my Account teacher. and Mr Yik is my Econ teacher, so, Don't Agrue with me.....i am now studying in HKU (A&F). i am not saying that i am superior. i just want to point out that the teachers is not the one who bear the whole responsibility.

without teachers, u just don't know how to find resource to study ? can u read more books ? ask ur classmates to form study groups? ur friends? tutorial center? there is so many ways u could achieve self- study..

i remember when i was in 7A, i read at least two books of each subject, not only the book used in school, also buy or copy others refernce books to read and study.

Also, i support Mr Yik...without him, i can't get a good result in AL econ...he notes may not be the best, or sure is not the best, but he did his job very well, u know how hard he make his notes ? he changes the notes every year according to the change of syallbus or when he found out there is another good way to illustrate the econ concepts, he keeps changing his notes. i know cause he tells me and i help him to do also. Every year after his students graduated, he will ask them to give him the notes of the others tutotial center as reference.

i am here not just support the teachers, what i want is to improve the quality of sfxc students, especially those form 6 and 7 students, be a role model of our junior students, even the teachers not good enough, with out own hard work. Really, u really need to think did u did u best to study in A level. OK, Fine, if u think u did try ur best and u still can't have a good result, then , is it ur study methode have problem, cause now is A level, not in Cert level, the requirement will be much different.

Lastly, i jsut want our students can stop blaming anything or anyone. cause what u can get is in ur own hand, not depends on others.

[> [> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
Hung Ka Ho
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Date Posted: 23:13:30 08/11/04 Wed

I have never mention that the teachers are the one who bear the whole responsibilities. What I said is both teachers and students share the same importance.
I know the majority of 7A students are not hard working enough, but how about others? Apart from the one who admitted to UST through the early admission programme, 7A got other students score high points in the HKCEE(one 21points, two 20points and one 18 points ). But the result is that we got only 4 C for the total of four AL subjects!!! Are we stupid??? Are we lazy???

Most of us know how and where to find resources to study, we also read many other reference books and notes. But our valuable day time was wasted by those teachers. Many Business students tried all their means to get business note from 恆商, but all their effort was in vain. It is just because notes cannot replace teachers.

𨯗sk classmates, form study groups� As you know, 7A students came from different schools and classes, so our relationship is not good.

For tutorial centers, do you think all students can afford this? If all teachers are bad, should we go to the tutorial center to find 4 or 5 tutors???
I also feel sick that someone does a bad job but still get several ten thousands a month!! Is that fair???

Mr. Yik and Mr. wong may be good in the past, but it is no longer a fact now.
You said that Mr. Yik tried very hard, but his students got a terrible result this year. I think it is the problems of his teaching method (this is actually your conclusion). We get our punishment of not being offer a place by the universities, but how about Mr. Yic and Mr.Wong? They still get several ten thousands a month.

[> [> [> Subject: 一隻手掌拍不響
Author: HKIEd Wolf [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:49:13 08/11/04 Wed 不幸,我真是前前7A人. 想說的Chan Kwong Yu (ex-7A,) 大都已替我說了. 只想說,我對你的言論感到很傷心...

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Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

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Date Posted: 12:26:32 08/12/04 Thu

I support Mr Hung!
Actually I am one of the 7A students taking account and very luckily I passed the examination. Throughout the two-year-studies, I didn't get much useful help from my account teacher. It is totally unfair for non-7A students the just-ended academic year to say anything about our account results because they didn't see the true picture of our studies, including formal lessons (what a xxxk), self-studying very hard, etc.
No matter what does our dear senior alumni think, we, all 7A students taking account, are surely proud of us because we have had tried our very best to take the examination, and we would be absolutely trying even harder in our future, for studying or for doing jobs.

[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥
Author: gut [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:50:14 08/13/04 Fri while all of you have points, i don't want to argue for or against any teaching methods or study methods as they are very subjective. some students can get good results from bad teachers, and vice versa. but teaching a wrong syllabus is undeniably the teacher's fault.

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Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
鉛球●
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Date Posted: 18:41:12 08/13/04 Fri

我係修account其中一個肥佬gei學生....
我也很支持Mr Hung 的說法！其他科考得不好，我只好怪自己懶惰、愚魯......但不能夠原諒的教account 科的黃sir......

中六的時候，正如Mr hung 所講，整整一個上學期黃sir 用盡所有時間花在out-c 的課題上......如果不是我們7人越讀就越發覺不對勁，也不會發覺這個致命的錯誤...而當時黃sir一點歉意而沒有，還說學多一點也不壞！
最神奇的地方是，我們的中六上學期如同白過，但他竟有能力(在不補課的情況)於畢業的前個半月把課程教完，可見他教學的速度之快、之馬虎.....
更利害的是........他是怎樣讓我們在這惡劣的因素之下，令我會不用居安思危呢！方法就是把測驗、考試卷出得易如中五程度，人人有獎，永不落空！如果成績不好，他還會替我們想藉口「你們一定沒有溫書才這般」、「我也知大家這一段時間很忙」。安慰完大家一番，更把分數調整，7個人中，5個不合格，調整到一個人不合格！易答的題目變得重分得人驚！
很早的以前，我也質問過，為何我們還不懂做AL past paper 的問題呢？他給我們的回覆是：課程改了，past question out-c；或是說我們還未到最後關頭，未操數...到了最後數月，我們一定會全懂的！
當我醒覺的時候已經是中六的暑假，我一方面報了2個account科的補習、一方面上課自修，可惜已經太遲，反魂無術了！......

※P.S. 回想起當日，他說我們很有慧根，比以往的一屈質素好，相信7個人總有3、4個A....轉眼間，來到今天只得3人合格的局面，我不禁苦笑，淚在心裡掉出來......

專業、用心的老師是可敬的，但濫竽充數的老師也是不值得保護的！

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師兄們感受不到我們的苦況是有原因的！

Author:
鉛球●
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Date Posted: 18:56:46 08/13/04 Fri

師兄們，我也知你們會對我們的妄語有所微言、或痛心。

但我想說出一點是......你們之前的任何一屆，也恐怕沒有我們的變動那麼大....原本大統的課程cut 了差不多3份之一，而同時也加上了budget accounting的一大堆課程......做成finance & budget 平分秋色之局面.....
所以我想你地思索這一點，才好把我們當作「逆子」、「反骨仔」來看..........我深信我們絕不是把黑鍋弄給他人、不自我反醒的無恥之輩。
當我寫第兩篇無聊東西時，何常不是痛心疾首呢！

[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
HK
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Date Posted: 11:54:04 08/14/04 Sat

What's the role of a teacher??? "Encourage" students to read and learn? Helping students in solving problems? That's why we need a teacher.
If we can learn by our own effort, why do we need a teacher? Why do we need a school?
Actually, some students can done very well, but they are just lazy and need some encouragement, can the teachers help them?
E.G. Mr. Fong seems to be lazier than us, so how can we learn effectively under such lazy atmosphere???

[> Subject: Re: re: AL accounts 七個去考四個肥

Author:
Andy
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Date Posted: 05:34:22 10/02/09 Fri

>plain fact:4f/u,1c,2e
I graduated from SFXC Form 7 in 1983. In my class, 7 have entered HKU while 2 have entered Poly Accounts. 5 have entered Baptist College (HKBU now). At that time, William Wong is teaching Accounts and Mr. Felix Fung is teaching economics.
I must say the result depends on the efforts and co-operation between classmates. During the 2 years, our classmates shared a lot resources together. Brotherhood is the key to success

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