Yes, Jane, you gave us a marvelous week - thank you so much! To pick up on something maddiej suggested earlier in the week, I think it is interesting that John is able to say the words "I love you" here, and I do think it is in the context of the kind of "brotherly" fellowship that was possible in this period -- manifesting intimacy without necessarily becoming sexual. John and Stephen seem to be existing in the space where "particular" friendship and homosexual desire might occasionally overlap, but not always, and not if one or both are deliberately holding back. I had forgotten that John uses the word "brother" here, and it suggests again that there are at least several layers of meaning wrapped up in the book's title. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 13:01:56 10/06/07 Sat
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Subject: Yes, Jane, you gave us a marvelous week - thank you so much! To pick up on something maddiej suggested earlier in the week, I think it is interesting that John is able to say the words "I love you" here, and I do think it is in the context of the kind of "brotherly" fellowship that was possible in this period -- manifesting intimacy without necessarily becoming sexual. John and Stephen seem to be existing in the space where "particular" friendship and homosexual desire might occasionally overlap, but not always, and not if one or both are deliberately holding back. I had forgotten that John uses the word "brother" here, and it suggests again that there are at least several layers of meaning wrapped up in the book's title.
In reply to: teddie 's message, "(Lurking about) Thanks for your wonderful week, Jane. I adore the glimpses into the tender friendship of Stephan and Lord John." on 06:20:30 10/06/07 Sat

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The fraternal affection and bond brought by shared strife and knowing what the other knows is so strong. They couldn't share the exigencies of battle (to borrow one of John's words) with wives. This was something only fighting men could share. Now with women on the battlefront as well there can be that bond so long as the experience is shared but to know what it is to order men to their death and to see the destruction and mutilation needs to be shared among those who "know". (NT) -- kgp, 13:51:07 10/06/07 Sat

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