The other aspect is that these books must stand alone. To have John be a hero for this story he must be free to act as he will rather than be constrained by comparison to another character a novice reader may not be aware of. That said, a parallel between John and Jamie also questions a stereotypic view of a homosexual man as being less capable of heroics than a heterosexual hero. Going to Conmama's remarks above, I like that John is no less "manly" in his duty and life than Jamie, excepting his attraction to Percy rather than Isobel. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 12:46:09 10/15/07 Mon
Author: kgp
Subject: The other aspect is that these books must stand alone. To have John be a hero for this story he must be free to act as he will rather than be constrained by comparison to another character a novice reader may not be aware of. That said, a parallel between John and Jamie also questions a stereotypic view of a homosexual man as being less capable of heroics than a heterosexual hero. Going to Conmama's remarks above, I like that John is no less "manly" in his duty and life than Jamie, excepting his attraction to Percy rather than Isobel.
In reply to: susiej 's message, "OK, I haven't read these books, but Pamela told me she was quoting this week and her themes and picks are also so intriguing that I came over to check it out and I have to say I am so surprised. This is a great scene but it is so like the Jamie scene in so many ways- through an act of compassion, John risks being discovered as a "sodomite" just as Jamie risked being discovered as a Jacobite and all in front of a riled up crowd. But what surprises me is that you guys all like the similarity. Cynic that I am, I am saying- oh, this it too much the same. I mean couldn't it at least have not been done through a hanging? Now, I fully realize that I am a very hard person to please, but didn't you even just sort of roll your eyes a bit and say to yourself, 'seen this before'? or is it just me? This won't be the first time I've been told I was hyper critical, so feel free to be honest. I know I'm being ornery here so give it back if you feel I deserve it." on 09:35:32 10/15/07 Mon

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Yes, did you notice the bit where the young soldier who is about to be hanged panics, and Grey thinks, "Can you not die like a man, at least?" He doesn't seem ever to be in doubt of his own masculinity, regardless of his sexual preferences. (NT) -- maddiej, 14:48:33 10/15/07 Mon
- Yes! It was almost an aside, but it spoke volumes about his sense of masculinity. (NT) -- pamelalass, 15:51:42 10/15/07 Mon

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