In the stable scene I think the friction ignites into violence because Jamie has effectively characterized all homosexuals as pedarasts while John has challenged this notion, brought to light what I think most men fear (I know DH does) - that fraternal affection can become man-crush can become love as between men and women - and has inadvertantly unearthed the Wentworth nightmare and Jamie's disgust with himself that he could not keep from being roused by BJR despite himself. It violates Jamie's sense of manliness which he is trying even harder to hold the line on because of that. I think John's need to do violence to himself after Jamie's fist hits the wall is a reaction to the passion of the moment of battle as well as realization of Jamie's words and the dawning that perhaps Jamie had been molested by a pedarast. We know Jamie's interactions with Sandringham came darn close. -- LJG Discussion board

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Date Posted: 15:32:03 10/15/07 Mon
Author: kgp
Subject: In the stable scene I think the friction ignites into violence because Jamie has effectively characterized all homosexuals as pedarasts while John has challenged this notion, brought to light what I think most men fear (I know DH does) - that fraternal affection can become man-crush can become love as between men and women - and has inadvertantly unearthed the Wentworth nightmare and Jamie's disgust with himself that he could not keep from being roused by BJR despite himself. It violates Jamie's sense of manliness which he is trying even harder to hold the line on because of that. I think John's need to do violence to himself after Jamie's fist hits the wall is a reaction to the passion of the moment of battle as well as realization of Jamie's words and the dawning that perhaps Jamie had been molested by a pedarast. We know Jamie's interactions with Sandringham came darn close.
In reply to: pamelalass 's message, "Oh yeah! Thanks for coming on over , Susie. I agree with Karen's take on it, that this scene, while similar, and, I think, a deliberate echo of DOA, also has strikingly different characteristics that keep me from thinking it's "old hat." The fact that John ends up delivering the killing "blow", standing in for the missing leg-puller, takes this to a different place, as do the more complicated undercurrents here, which Cathy suggested above. My big question here is whether this parallel scene is part of a deliberate strategy on DG's part to "show" us how John and Jamie are similar, in the same book where she has them at their most distant and hostile???? Anyone have thoughts?" on 10:01:56 10/15/07 Mon

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