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Subject: Re: Poll question: What role first made you a fan?


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Eva Danø
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Date Posted: 17:59:52 09/09/06 Sat

My first exposure to Robert Newton was Jamaica Inn, which I saw on TV (PBS, I think), about a quarter century ago. I recorded it, and then I tried to find out who the actor playing Jem was. It was long before the internet and IMDb, so all I had to go on was the list of actors at the beginning of the movie. I knew who Charles Laughton was, but I hadn't heard of the others before, at least not that I could remember, and they weren't shown with pictures in my reference books.

So I started taping and watching anything and everything with any of the leading actors from JI. It took a while, but it finally clicked for me, and I have been collecting Robert Newton ever since, and I still do.

Jamaica inn is still one of my favorites. I have several prerecorded versions of it, both on tape and on DVD. Each is flawed, but in different spots. A scene missing here; a bad splice there. According to my sources, it SHOULD be 107 minutes long (108 according to IMDb), but my copies are 97, 84, 90, and 98 minutes, respectively. I have tried to run them side by side, and found bits everywhere that are in one and not another. I wonder if the full length one even exists any more? Maybe if I ever get sophisticated enough to have some GOOD editing software on my 'puter, I can splice the different bits together. Like several of RN's old movies, it is in the public domain, which is why anyone with a horrible old print can put it on tape or DVD.

Many old movies suffer the same faith, but Jamaica Inn seems to be an extreme case, at least as far as missing scenes.

BTW, I ALWAYS note down the actual running time for the movies etc. in my collection; especially important when taping from TV and having to edit out commercials. It gives one a good picture of how much has been edited out 'to fit in the timeslot'.

The early prerecorded versions of Treasure Island had several scenes deleted! My LV and my earliest VHS copies ran 87 minutes, though the CED version and the one shown on TV had the missing scenes and ran the full 96 minutes, as does the later prerecorded versions. Obviously that is another movie I have several versions of <grin>

Eva

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[> Subject: Re: Poll question: What role first made you a fan?


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Susan
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Date Posted: 01:55:51 09/10/06 Sun

Hi, Eva, welcome to the forum. Small world, I too first saw Jamaica Inn on TV just about a quarter century ago. Of course, my memory of that first viewing was vague, so I have no idea if I saw the complete version even then. (All I remember of it is searching in vain for the actor who had played Long John Silver, since Jem Trehearne could hardly look or behave more different--and finding myself entertained and beguiled by the slightly-over-the-top character of Harry, even though I never had any idea who the actor was until after I started researching RN for this site. And that seeing the movie prompted me to read the book, which is still one of my favorites to this day. Have you read the book, Eva? It's so different from the movie!) But my DVD says 99 minutes, and it definitely includes scenes that are missing from the cheap VHS version I bought. I didn't realize even *more* scenes were missing than that. It would be really interesting to find out what they were! (Have you ever clocked the version they show on TCM? If anybody'd have the complete version, I'd think it'd be them.)

I wonder what other RN stuff is in the public domain. I figured those 14 episodes of Long John Silver must be since at least four or five different companies have put them out on VHS ... Yet Platinum, who recently released them on DVD, have copyright notices all over them. Is it possible to copyright something that's already public domain? (And who's hoarding those other episodes--or are they lost forever?)

As for Treasure Island, I got to see it on the big screen back in '75 (the theatre I saw it in was since gutted and turned into a drug store!); again, I don't remember if all scenes were present then (I was too busy being beguiled by Robert Newton!), but I'm lucky enough to have taped the TV version, which included the deleted scenes. One of the deletions is the scene where Jim is stabbed and shoots Israel Hands, and I always felt they should never have taken that scene out ... but having watched it with my five-year-old nieces, I kind of wished I'd had a copy of the edited version! We watched that scene in FF mode, but even so they were a little scared (I was surprised, through watching it with kids that age, to realize for the first time how relentlessly violent it was) but they were too fascinated by Long John Silver to have me turn it off. In fact, we only watched the first half on the first day, and not only didn't they have any nightmares, but the next day it was their idea to watch the rest of it. (They didn't understand half the dialogue, but they got very excited every time LJS said the magic word "Arrr." By the end, they were both hopping around on one leg practicing their new pirate vocabulary: "Ahoy," "Belay," and ... what else? Which reminds me ... it's the time of year again for all of us to brush up--International Talk Like a Pirate Day is only nine days away!)

So what was it like discovering him the other way around--seeing him play the classic romantic hero and *then* seeing him as Long John Silver? And how long did it take you, Eva, through all that taping, to figure out it was Robert Newton who played the hero in JI?

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[> Subject: Re: Poll question: What role first made you a fan?


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Eva D
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Date Posted: 09:28:32 09/10/06 Sun

> Have you read the book, Eva?

Nope, but I DID see the miniseries with Jane Seymour (I think it was) VERY different!

> (Have you ever clocked the version they show on TCM? If anybody'd have the complete version, I'd think it'd be them.)

I don't think so. Do you have it? It is EASY to get the timing from either a DVD or a tape.

> I wonder what other RN stuff is in the public domain.

Dunno, but my guess would be most of the old English stuff.

> So what was it like discovering him the other way around--seeing him play the classic romantic hero and *then* seeing him as Long John Silver?

Long John Silver, for me, came after several others. Fire Over England, Major Barbara (which I am re-watchng right now), and I think Dark Journey. I enjoy ALL his roles. He makes SUCH a wonderful despickable character.

> And how long did it take you, Eva, through all that taping, to figure out it was Robert Newton who played the hero in JI?

I can't remember; some months perhaps? I got to see Leslie Banks and Emlyn Williams a few times on the way <grin>. Didn't keep those, though.

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