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Subject: Water all over Author: Susan G. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 08:12:45 12/13/05 Tue This is in response to the person who asked in the Guestbook section about a line that RN said in a movie about 'Getting water all over her, on purpose'. That was a scene in 'Blackbeard' in his cabin (on the ship) with Alvina (Irene Ryan). The scene was pretty funny. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Water all over Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:30:50 12/13/05 Tue Ohhhh ... Thanks, Susan! Good memory. I was trying to figure that out; it sounded so familiar. Now I can find the exact quote and put it on the site. (I was thinking it was the Beachcomber for some reason. You know my mental block when it comes to Blackbeard!) Oddly, he seems to get a lot of lines alluding to an aversion to water. In the Beachcomber, he says, "Anybody who drinks water deserves all they get." In Soldiers Three, it's, "I never understood the invention of water--it ain't fit to touch and it ain't fit to drink neither. [glub]" Now this! (Any others you can think of?) Kind of ironic for someone who spent a good part of his life at sea--on screen and off--isn't it? BTW, Ilsa, I'm still mulling over my answer to your thought-provoking question; I'll try to post my response soon too. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Water all over Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:20:54 12/15/05 Thu Well, I watched "Blackbeard the Pirate" again last night, searching for that line about bathing, but I couldn't find it. (I admit, I sort of scanned it in FF mode, but I stopped at every scene involving Blackbeard and Alvina, as well as the ones with him and Linda Darnell.) Do you remember exactly where/when the scene took place or what the exact line was? I'd be very grateful if somebody could find it. (Actually, to me the line sounds more like something out of the LJS movie or series--something Lawng Jawn would after being rebuked by Purity.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Water all over Author: Susan G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:23:53 12/19/05 Mon I know he had Alvina in his cabin (getting her drunk) grilling her about Edwina's jewels and where they were hidden. I am sure I am not mistaken on the movie because I clearly remember Irene Ryan talking about how Edwina likes to do strange things like take a bath every day. The line RN said after that was something like: 'You mean she gets water all over her, on purpose?', but I don't know if that is the exact wording. I will look at the movie this week some time and let you know if I find the line. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Water all over Author: Susan G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:01:01 12/20/05 Tue Ok Susan, I found it. If you have the DVD it is in Chapter 6: Letters to Home. Alvina is quite drunk and she said that Edwina is 'very fond of bathing'. Blackbeard then responds: 'Bathing? In water? You mean she gets wet all over, on purpose?' [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Confounded &*@% edits! Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:58:47 12/21/05 Wed Thanks, for finding that, Susan. Unfortunately, I don't have the DVD ... In fact, I think the pre-recorded videotape I have (put out under the label "Hollywood Classics") must have been edited because I think I found the scene you're talking about, and that line isn't in there at all! :-( On my copy, it goes like this: Blackbeard is asking Alvina to tell him all about his "little robin," but Alvina is obsessing about Edwina's baggage; Blackbeard orders Worley to bring the baggage into the cabin, then asks her again to tell him about Edwina. She starts by telling him her father was a sea captain. Blackbeard cuts her off with, "I know, I know, I know. He commanded all the Brethren of the Coast, and he was the blackest pirate what ever--ha har--until Ned Teach." Alvina: "Poor Edwina. She's so much like her father." Blackbeard: "Arrr, she's my kind, my little robin." Alvina: "I'm afraid so." Cut to the pirates bringing in the treasure chest. Alvina runs over and yells at them; Blackbeard orders it to be opened, Edwina runs down, and Alvina runs out. Next scene with Alvina, he gives her more liquor, but now he's asking her to tell him about the treasure. Then the last time we see her in his cabin, she's screaming while Blackbeard hacks apart the treasure chest. Do I have the right scene? Seems like that line belonged somewhere between "I'm afraid so" and the treasure chest being brought in; am I right? I wonder how much else is missing!!! OK, now I'm bummed to find out that I *paid* for an edited copy! In fact, I've got a copy of Jamaica Inn distributed by the same company (this one under the guise of "Hollywood Gold," and I *know* that one's edited because I also have the DVD, which I've watched again and again. (I alternate between JI and Soldiers Three when I can't sleep at night! The innocuous inanity usually puts me right out now that I've seen them both a hundred times.) Well, one night, for some reason, I put on the VHS version instead (which I have to admit was worth the $5 just for the photo of Bob and Maureen O'Hara on the cover, Ilsa) and discovered they had cut out the scene at the end when Emlyn Williams hocks a big gob of spit into the face of the officer who's holding him--there are probably cuts, but that one was pretty conspicuous! (Sorry Ilsa and Lois, but I love Emlyn Williams in that movie--he's just the right level of over the top for me, painted-on five o'clock shadow or not!) Why is it they cut out only the best scenes? (Worst of all, both tapes are recorded in low-quality EP mode instead of SP!) Grrr, now I'm going to have to buy the Blackbeard DVD. (Maybe if I see the whole movie I'll hate it less!) ... Or I could just wait till it's on TV again; assuming the TV version isn't edited! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Confounded &*@% edits! Author: Susan G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:16:53 12/21/05 Wed Susan, I believe the line was after the 'She's so much like her father' line. It was definately right there in that scene and I believe before they brought the chest into the cabin. Or at least, before then started to hack it apart. Again I will have to look a little more closely at it to get the correct timing. Alvina was describing all the strange 'things' that Edwina likes to do, like taking a bath every day. The whole scene was probably the comical highlight of the movie. Again, I say I thought this movie to be almost a comedy (at lease in parts).I, like you, do not regard this film as one of my favorite RN films. Even though I certainly liked him as a pirate (LJS). I will take another look at the DVD and get the sequence for you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Blackbeard--arrr! Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 02:46:45 12/22/05 Thu Thanks, Susan. As I watch the scene, I can see where that "cut to them bringing in the treasure chest" part is probably where they chopped the good stuff out. It's a very abrupt cut. Maybe if I could see it as a comedy I'd like it more. (It could really use the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 treatment, don't you think?) Actually, watching it again, RN's performance has finally started to grow on me; he is the definitely the best thing about the movie. (It was just a bit shocking the first time to see him going *so* far over the top ... And he could have toned it down a little with the "arrr"s. He doesn't seem to be able to get through a single sentence without it. I totally agree with Phil Leibfried that it seems like the director was absent from the set. I couldn't believe it when I found out Raoul Walsh was actually an acclaimed director.) If you take the film seriously at all though, there's so much not to like about it, I hardly know where to begin trashing it! I think the worst part was the guy who plays Worley--or maybe there's just something about a Brooklyn accent in a pirate movie that automatically makes a performance seem bad! (Of course, it's all Robert Newton's fault we have such preconceived notions about how pirates are supposed to talk. I guess in the '50's, people were still used to Wallace Beery's version of LJS.) And then there's the complete lack of historical accuracy--if they'd just made up fictional names for all the pirates in the movie, I might be able to accept the story for what it is. Unfortunately, I've been studying pirates ever since Robert Newton got me interested at the age of 12! BTW, I found out there actually *was* a pirate named Worley, but he was a captain; he didn't sail with Blackbeard. And, of course, Israel Hands was one of the real Blackbeard's officers, but he's not in the film at all. Meanwhile, all that stuff about Morgan is totally made up, besides being anachronistic ... and where's his Welsh accent?? And then there's Maynard--did you notice he has two different first names in the movie? In real life he was the Naval officer who killed Blackbeard in a bloody battle--where they encountered each other for the first time. There's just so much more--I can't watch the movie without groaning at almost every line. (The only part I actually enjoy is RN singing "There was a jolly miller" ... "ho ho ho ho hee hee.") (BTW, I've gotta think of a different name for myself ... If you just glance quickly and don't notice the G. after your name, it almost looks like one of us is talking to herself! I'd say "Susan C.," but a "C" looks enough like a "G" to make it not worthwhile.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Blackbeard--arrr! Author: Susan G. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:00:54 12/22/05 Thu OK Susan C., I went through that scene last night and played it back numerous times trying to get the lines straight and copy it down at the same time. Anyway, I did the best I could. I may not have every word correct but it is pretty close. This dialogue begins after Edwina's treasure chest in brought in and after the line about Edwina being so much like her father. It went like this: A: Poor Edwina. She does the most awful things! BB: Like what? A: Well.. for instance.. ahhh, no, no, no. I'm not going to tell you. No, no (while she plays with BB's beard) BB: Here, have another gulp. That's right..my little chicken. Like what now? A: Well..she's very fond of bathing. BB: Bathing? In water? A: She swims in it. BB: You mean she gets wet all over? On purpose? A: Worst part of it is she does it without....ahhh, ahhh.. BB: Without any clothes on? A: Without a stitch! BB: NO! Ahhh.. A: Not only that, she does it without any...ahhh BB: Well...what else can she go swimming without? A: Well..without any water! And while I'm at it I thought the 'plucked chicken' part was also a line worth putting on your list. In the beginning when Edwina and Alvina are first brought on board to Blackbeard he, of course, checks out Edwina first and declares her a 'little robin red breast'. Then he looks at Alvina and says 'What might this be? A plucked chicken?' That was why he was using 'my little chicken' when he was trying to get the info from her. I hope this helped a little. As for our names.. would it be better if I used 'Sue G.' rather than 'Susan G'. It has a little of a different look to it. I'll be talking again soon. Happy Holidays! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Censorship Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:54:23 12/23/05 Fri Thanks for doing all that work transcribing the scene, Susan! I laughed out loud reading it. Especially "What else can she go swimming without?" "Well ... without any water!" That's too much! It seems they cut out the funniest scene in the whole movie! (And I'd have noticed "Granny" playing with Blackbeard's beard, believe me.) Do you suppose the video "censor" thought the scene was too risqué? (Actually, I noticed a *lot* of surprisingly suggestive dialog in that movie for the 1950s.) I suppose the same "editor" also deemed Emlyn Williams spitting in an officer's face in JI offensive (even though it probably inspired Kate Winslet's famous spitting scene in Titanic!). It sure would be nice if these companies would let you know before you buy their videos that they're are edited for children's viewing instead of giving them classy gold-trimmed boxes. Anyway, thanks to you and Mr. Lee from the guestbook, the line/scene has been added to the collection! I'll have to rewatch the other scene to get the full context of the "plucked chicken" comment. Don't worry; I should be able to find that part OK. (And I'm a trained transcriptionist too, so it shouldn't take me long to type it up once I find it.) I don't mean to suggest you change your name; are you normally called "Sue"? (That's the only diminutive of my name I can't stand to be called. Brings back bad memories of high school!) I could always think up some snazzy handle for myself--but, being the webmistress, I kind of feel a responsibility to use my real identity. Happy holidays! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Censorship Author: Lois [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:40:25 01/03/06 Tue Quote: "I suppose the same "editor" also deemed Emlyn Williams spitting in an officer's face in JI offensive (even though it probably inspired Kate Winslet's famous spitting scene in Titanic!)." Actually, spitting in an authority figure's face happened long before "Jamaica Inn"... and in many films inbetween that and "Titanic"... American censors appear to be more picky about things like that - spitting and bad manners and the like. BTW, I am also a trained transcriptionist - stenographer - text processor - audio text processor - and typist! (Although not immune to the odd typo!) As you can tell from the length of our reviews on our website! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Censorship Author: Susan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:28:51 01/06/06 Fri You're right, that's one disadvantage of living in a country founded by Puritans! (The more things change, the more they stay that same, huh?) American censors are far more picky about everything--which is unfortunate in my opinion. Well, at least the spitting scene *is* available on the DVD; I guess you just have to be careful what company you buy it from. BTW, have you ever wondered how the actors prepare for a scene like that? Like, do you think Emlyn Williams swished a little mouthwash first just to be considerate of the recipient of his watery wrath? It's funny how we (nontheatrical people, at least) automatically think of acting as such a glamorous profession, but if you really think about it, actors are forced to do some really degrading things for a living. (I suppose they have a choice whether or not to take a role, but other than that, they're at the mercy of whatever the director wants them to do. Even romantic scenes--can you imagine being forced to kiss somebody you can't stand?) I wonder how much the guy in JI got paid to take a spray in the face like that? And the juicy goober Kate Winslet landed right in Billy Zane's eye looked even nastier. Small world--you being a typist too. You're right--it really enables us to be longwinded! My own RN reviews would probably be a lot longer, but since I called them "mini-reviews"--not feeling too confident in my reviewing skills and just intending them as a quick guide to inform prospective video-buyers what RN actually does in the movie--I made an effort in most cases to keep my comments succinct--not an easy job for me. I'm glad our sites are sort of complementary in that respect! With your store of knowledge about older movies and actors, you and Ilsa are much better at analysis. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: can someone help me with this? Author: Michelle Thompson [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:44:41 12/14/05 Wed Hey I have a quik question that no one I know can answer. The TV series of 'The Adventures of Long John Silver' has originally 26 episodes. I would really like to buy all of these but everywhere that I look only 6 to 13 episodes are available. I don't know why, maybe they didn't make the rest into movies but if anyone knows why or better yet knows where I can buy all 26 episodes I would really be greatful to know. thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]