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Subject: Re: COOPERATIVAS segundo Lenine


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Luis Blanch
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Date Posted: 10:20:07 02/25/04 Wed
In reply to: paulo fidalgo 's message, "COOPERATIVAS segundo Lenine" on 23:10:46 02/23/04 Mon

Este Texto de Lénin de que o Paulo faz referencia , não oferece dúvidas de que ele estimava ,sem dogmatismo, ser positiva a experiencia cooperativista e que , na esteira de Marx releva o inevitável enquadramento politico e social : a conquista e detenção do poder político a dinâmica da luta de classes e o controlo do Estado.
Outro aspecto que sabemos é que Lénin defendeu ,mas não poude observar as consequencias dos recuos provocados pela "Nova Politica Económica", tão pouco estudada e cujas ilacções provocaram grandes estragos no processo revolucionário bolchevique.




>SOBRE COOPERAÇÃO, 4-6 jJANEIRO DE 1923
>
>.....
>"It is forgotten that owing to the special features of
>our political system, our cooperatives acquire an
>altogether exceptional significance. If we exclude
>concessions, which, incidentally, have not developed
>on any considerable scale, cooperation under our
>conditions nearly always coincides fully with
>socialism.
>
>Let me explain what I mean. Why were the plans of the
>old cooperators, from Robert Owen onwards, fantastic?
>Because they dreamed of peacefully remodeling
>contemporary society into socialism without taking
>account of such fundamental questions as the class
>struggle, the capture of political power by the
>working-class, the overthrow of the rule of the
>exploiting class. That is why we are right in
>regarding as entirely fantastic this “cooperative”
>socialism, and as romantic, and even banal, the dream
>of transforming class enemies into class collaborators
>and class war into class peace (so-called class truce)
>by merely organizing the population in cooperative
>societies.
>
>Undoubtedly we were right from the point of view of
>the fundamental task of the present day, for socialism
>cannot be established without a class struggle for the
>political power and a state.
>
>But see how things have changed now that the political
>power is in the hands of the working-class, now that
>the political power of the exploiters is overthrown
>and all the means of production (except those which
>the workers' state voluntarily abandons on specified
>terms and for a certain time to the exploiters in the
>form of concessions) are owned by the working-class.
>
>Now we are entitled to say that for us the mere growth
>of cooperation (with the “slight” exception mentioned
>above) is identical with the growth of socialism, and
>at the same time we have to admit that there has been
>a radical modification in our whole outlook on
>socialism. The radical modification is this; formerly
>we placed, and had to place, the main emphasis on the
>political struggle, on revolution, on winning
>political power, etc. Now the emphasis is changing and
>shifting to peaceful, organizational, “cultural” work.
>I should say that emphasis is shifting to educational
>work, were it not for our international relations,
>were it not for the fact that we have to fight for our
>position on a worldscale. If we leave that aside,
>however, and confine ourselves to internal economic
>relations, the emphasis in our work is certainly
>shifting to education."

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A insurreição e os modos de produçãoFernando Redondo10:37:20 02/25/04 Wed
"Teoria de Classe e Comunismo na URSS" - o primeiro grande estudo científico sobre a URSSpaulo fidalgo19:57:38 02/26/04 Thu


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