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Subject: two in the field, one taken, one left


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Dan Newberry
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Date Posted: 14:53:05 11/21/06 Tue

I believe that the reference we see to two in the field (one taken, one left) is not actually a reference to the rapture. While I do believe in a pre-trib rapture, I think that Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 refer to the gathering at the end of the tribulation. Here, the elect, which at this time will be comprised of the saved Jews and saved Gentiles who come to Christ during the tribulation will be set apart.

But the order of the gatherings seems to indicate that the unrighteous will be gathered first, and destroyed. Regarding "one taken, one left," In Luke 17:37, the apostles ask "where Lord?" (meaning 'where will those who are taken be placed?'), and Jesus answers: "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." "Eagles" is literally translated from the Greek as vultures or buzzards, meaning birds which will eat dead bodies. So the ones taken may well be the ones whose bodies are destroyed and fed to the birds.

In Matthew 24:15, we see a reference to the abomination that causes desolation standing in the temple, something which we understand to mean the antichrist standing in the temple, which is supposed to happen about the middle of the tribulation. Jesus is telling us in Matthew 24 the sequence of events of the end of the age. There is no reason to assume that He is speaking of these events out of sequence. So it is *after* the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place (as well as other obvious references to the great tribulation) that we see the reference to the one taken, one left.

So I do not believe that the one taken, one left passage refers to the rapture. If it does, us pre-tribbers are in trouble! :) I am a firm believer in the pre-trib rapture, and might post on that matter later one.

Yet, for the reasons mentioned, I think that the 'one being taken' is being taken away to destruction. Here's more evidence I might use:

In Matthew 13 Christ is telling the parable of the wheat and tares. 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So we see here that Jesus mentions that the tares are being gathered first and burned, then the wheat is gathered. True, it could be reading into the verse to suggest that Christ is telling us the tares will be gathered and dealt with first, but this is the way it is written. I think if He were going to gather the wheat (the elect) first, He would have told the parable that way--rather than confuse us.

Anyway, food for thought of course. It's possible I'm off base here, but this is my current understanding of the "one taken, one left" passage.

Dan

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