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Date Posted: 09:54:12 12/24/04 Fri
Author: Sundarar - 29 Nov 2004
Subject: Re: Paravastha
In reply to: Hairakhan - 29 Nov 2004 's message, "Re: Paravastha" on 09:53:03 12/24/04 Fri


Thank you. Yes, many people even like Ramdas say it is hard to go by ajna. I read Kriya Yoga Vijnan recently by Shuddananda and I think it the best book on kriya even surpassing Bejoy Dasgupta and Satyananda's kriya books at yoganiketan. Anyway, Shuddha says that Lahiri likes sadhaks to do kechari as it produced such bliss that they were able to bypass siddhis that accumulate when one has gotten to the vijnan chakra. He says that the bliss of this kechari is obviously only a sliver of brahmananda in the sahasrar or brahmarandhra and that the powers of one at sahasrar is also much greater.

Nonetheless, Doc Lewis said that powers start accumulating when one penetrates the star (thus getting sabikalpa samadhi without breath or pulse and lodging at vijnan chakra?)

The sambavi mudra or gaze at the 3rd eye may be said to be the flipside of kechari and accomplishes the same goal.
Shuddananda says that Lahiri advised chelas to go into kecari when they had sex and it is nice to note that Yogananda said keep love in heart dominant and mind at kutasta. Yogananda emphasizes sambavi and Lahiri the kechari it seems to me. But Lahiri called yoni mudra the real jyana yoga and the 4 mahavakyas such as Tat Tvam asi are stages in kutasta it seems to me. I have never read that but would not be suprised to see it later in a Lahiri commentary. Regardless, Jyana yoga is but a mental game without kriya, unless you have samskaras of those states from past lives already like Ramana.

In the book at Yoganiketan "Kriya yoga and Sriyukteswar" Sri Dasgupta discusses vijnan chakra, also called the jyana chakra or guru chakra. He says when one gets to sahasrar chakra one sees God's face. Doc Lewis had this experience in 1958 when he finally saw "God's great face". The experience yeilds nirbikalpa samadhi and pension of kriya wheter it is as a jivanmukta or a sidda. Evidently Doctor got to sahasrara only in 1958. It seems it took nearly 40 years for him to traverse the ajna and vijnan.

Yogananda says in his gita that a jivanmukta has a nirbikalpa but it is not as deep as a siddha and he has to occasionally use his ajna to discern right action. The key in getting to sahasrar is to at least get to vijnan and take the wisdom down to ajna in the day and actualize it. When you do that enough you can go on to the next level. But a similar process has to be enacted in earlier stages of the chakras also to get to the higher one.

There has been much dispute where the prana ends up in the final stages. I am of the opinion that it is in sahasrar for the siddha and never comes down. Though Ramakrishna says he taught from 5th chakra awareness i think he had to be in the crown mostly. Daya Ma says to keep the prana between the ajna and the heart and dont let it drop lower than the heart. In reality the ajna and heart are linked up closely.

Here is a site with quotes by Siddha guru Nityananda, guru of Muktananda. His views match Roy Davis--the heart of us is the Infinite experienced fully in sahasrar. It is no reference to anahat chakra.
www.nityananda.us

"The heart space of the atman, the brahmarandhra, the sahasrar chakra or the thousand pettaled lotus in the brain were all the same (according to Nityananda)"www.nityananda.us/sutras1.htm

He makes it clear that liberation is attained when one realizes the Self in all or the paramatman. This is God relaization as opposed to Self Realization. Anandamoy says it this way "the goal is the Infinite God".

"Sound arises in the inner sky (chidakasha) of pure consciousness, the heart space in the head, the sky of the heart."--www.nityananda.us/teaching3.htm

It is then that the advaitist would say "all I see is Spirit and the world as seperate from that is an illusion". The bakti would say he sees Bagavan now and the romance is on.
But in reality both arrived at nirbikalpa in sahasrar. That has to be effected.

There is nice info on kundalini awakening and the vijnan or guru chakra at: www.swamiji.com/kundalini-awakening-6.htm
This is a great site in general and he is a chela of Swami Rama.

Sundarar

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