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Date Posted: 08:02:47am 12/05/05 Mon,
Author: campion109
Subject: Question on the Tulane Game
It sounded like we had alot more opportunities (and success) in the paint against Tulane than in our previous three games? Hard to discern why (listening to the game over the internet) but, was that because we were hitting our outside shots and that was forcing the defense to spread a bit, or because Middleton was actually a factor down low or because Tulane was not as athletic as our previous competitors? It sounded like a few of you guys were actually there so any color would be appreciated.
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Re: Question on the Tulane Game -- JoeStag, 09:08:18am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
We definitely had more success in the Paint, but a lot of that was due to Todd converting, and being under control and agressive at the same time ....... but we still did not get a lot of inside baskets. We got to the inside vs Iowa, but were intimidated by a good defensive 6-11 Hansen, and Todd and Ogeslby just could not finish.
You are right we hit out 3's which forced Tulane to change in the 2nd half and deny the passing lanes outside and our outside shooting..... hence we made the adjustment, and Todd and Bell drove to the hoop, like they should have.
Middleton was very effective on getting the ball and reversing it, but he was not really in the low post as he received the ball 8-10 from the hoop. His biggest impact was being a presence in the middle as he was more agressive than I have seen him.
IMO, Tulane was the most Athletic team in the tourney, the difference was that their big players were only 6-9 and 6-8 instead, of 6-11...... but they could jump.
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Thoughts on the Weekend in Iowa -- JoeStag, 09:12:26am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
Now that the alcohol is starting to disapate, I can properly collect my thoughts. It was a great tourney, Iowa City is a real nice Mid-size city to visit, and the people of Iowa were great. Glad we went to this Tourney, and I think the players really liked it. I was also very happy to see Michael Bell play a significant rol in both games in front of his local fans.
This is a fun team to watch, and they play well together as a team.....everyone contributed, and the balanced scoring and rebounding are amazing. The team defense was really quick, and I think our ability to scramble for 50-50 loose balls counteracts are struggles at getting an inside rebound. If can at least tip a rebound it seems we can out-battle our opponent for it.
As I walked around teh Carver Hawkeye Arena I was approached a few times by Iowa fans telling men how they liked teh way we played. What was really amazing was a comment I got from a Iowa fan that was sitting neat me at the Tulane game. He said "it looked like we were playing with 6 players on the court" ...... that is the exact same comment I got from a UPenn fan at that scrimmage. Pretty amazing that 2 different fans at 2 different games, from differnt parts of country make the exact same comment...... and a comment that you don't normally hear.
Here are some player comments as all played a major role over the weekend
MVS...... all tourney team, played a little more agressive , but was a lot more involved in the offense, and he is just so all-around solid, anmd makes great decisions, that the more he does the better. He might not make the last assisted pass, but he is critical to the entire offense. Great FT shooting, and his defense and rebounding are much improved
Han..... What can you say, he does it all. He leads the team or is 1-2 in every stat category, but his greatest value is that he know how the run the game, and he makes the right pass, and if he has to score he does, if we need reounding he does that too. Han is Special and a Player. Every game I see, I think he is the best guard on the court.
Bell..... made big plays all weekend. His ealy 3's vs Iowa got us a lead and showed we could play with them, and then vs Toledo he scored on 2 big drives to the hoop to open the 2nd half. That was critical as Tulane was guarding the outside and passing lanes as part of their halftime adjustment. Bell also hit the 2 key FT's down the stretch where we hit 12 in a row..... and 3 were 1-1's
Todd...... Struggled going to hoop vs Iowa, and then stuggled again in 1st half vs Tulane. Tulane was overplaying us to start the 2nd half, so we need someone to take control and and attack the basket..... and Todd just took over the game, and It was nice to see his teammates come over to congratulate him after he made a few buckets. IMO, Todd is stuggling with his role in the new open offense, some players need more time, but his 2nd half was a great sign.
Oglesby..... had major runs of 3-point baskets in both games. Showed the ability to just just rise above the defenders, and shoot the three. His shot looked really good and in rythym. Its been a while but the rust is coming off. He also showed he can go to the hoop, but has to control his turnovers when he does that. Oglesby is very important to this team.
Middleton...... was the most active that I have seen him. he seemed really focused and I thought that was because Carter was in Foul touble and he knew the team was relying on him. His presence in the middle caused some problems for Tulane. He also reversed the ball very well. He was Gai-like with 4 blocks, whicj led to "Intimidation by Presence alone".
Carter ...... very active and battler on the inside. He might not get the rebound but he battle's the oppenents biggest player. A post game stat from Radio announcer Bob Huessler, said the coaches had a stat wher Carter had 13 tipped balled on defense vs Tulane in 14 minutes. I think those are critical to steals and rebounds that other players get. Carter started out on fire with 4 quick points, a rebound and assist in the first 2 min vs Tulane to get us jumpstarted.
Herbie ..... made some really nice plays, and was on the court during the critical run in both halves. We had the 3 Frosh plus Middleton and Oglesby when we made big runs. Those 5 players have minimal experience as Oglesby and Middleton did not log may last year. IMO, Herbiew is similar to Todd and he struggling a bit to learn his role in the open offense. When he does, he will be very good.
Reedal..... Was also on the court for the Big Run in the 1st half. Did a lot of good things on the court and his shots just missed. Reedal, Middleton, and Herbie entered the game with us by 4, then extended it to 13. Those 3 helped contribute, but it was Han hitting 3 consecutive 3's and then Oglesby hitting 3 Threes of his own that were the real difference.
MOS..... was there and used crutches, but was also hopping on 1 foot. I think the ankle is still swollen, so the extent of injury is really not know yet. Could he be out 4 or 8 or 12 weeks is just a guess right now.
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Re: Thoughts on the Weekend in Iowa -- Stagman, 09:44:09am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
Thanks Joe. Good recap.
At what point does TOT have to make a decision on whether to redshirt MOS?
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MOS Redshirt ??????? -- JoeStag, 02:02:57pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
I do not think that TOT has any deadline on making a redshirt decision on MOS. He could make it after the season. I think the only criteria is that he plays 6 or less games
However if MOS recovers, then TOT has a decision to play him or not. If MOS is heathly on Jan 1, the decision is probably to play him. If its Feb 15th its obvious to redshirt him, if MOS wants that. If its somewhere in between, then the decision is not so obvious..... probably would depend on how we are playing.
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Re: MOS Redshirt ??????? -- Stagman, 02:28:28pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
I'm not sure how redshirting works, but can you have someone play two games in December, then three games in the conference tourney, and still redshirt them?
They would only have played five games, but they would be spread out. I'm not sure if you could redshirt someone if that were the case. I thought the decision needed to be made relatively early, but as I said, I don't really know how it works.
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Medical Hardship Waiver -- JoeStag, 02:52:28pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
Stagman,
You inspired me for the pursuit of the facts. Below is the best definition I found, and its called a Medical Hardship Waiver. MOS cannot play more thatn 5 games and they have to be in the first half of the season. We have to have proper medical evidence, and it sounds like something you apply for after the season.
Red Shirting
Red shirting is not an official NCAA term, but the term is used when a student-athlete does not participate in any competition during a particular academic year (i.e., neither in the championship nor the non-championship segment of the playing season). A student-athlete may be red-shirted at any point in his/her athletic career.
A medical red shirt is not an official NCAA term either, but the term is used when a student-athlete is injured after participating in a limited amount of competition during a particular academic year and then qualifies for a Medical Hardship Waiver. More detailed information regarding Medical Hardship Waivers is included below.
Medical Hardship Waiver
If a student-athlete suffers a season-ending injury or illness after competing in a limited amount of competition during a particular academic year, he/she may qualify for a medical hardship waiver which would allow him/her an additional season of competition during the five-year period of eligibility. To qualify for a medical hardship:
(a) the student-athletes injury or illness must occur in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition or subsequent to the first day of classes in the student-athletes senior year in high school;
(b) the injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport and must result in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season; and
(c) the injury or illness must occur when the student-athlete has not participated in more than two contests/dates of competition or 20% of the institutions scheduled contests/dates of competition in his/her sport (whichever number is greater).
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Re: Thoughts on the Weekend in Iowa -- FU Alum, 03:05:13pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
From your report it would appear that we don't have, or at least didn't show any weaknesses.
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Re: Thoughts on the Weekend in Iowa -- Rave, 03:58:49pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
FU Alum.- that is an idiotic statement to make. My comments and Joe Stags were about our game against Tulane. We won by 12 points and the comments were how the team against them. When you shoot 54% or so from the floor, you should win the game and we did. Middleton showed a presence against Tulane. That doesn't mean he will against all opponents nor does it mean we will shoot 54% from the floor against everyone. I don't know how many games you attend, but if you went to the first 3 games and then to Iowa, you would have seen an improved team. What else do you want us to say? We told you what we saw. Your comments seem very critical and sarcastic. If you don't want to believe us, don't.
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Re: Thoughts on the Weekend in Iowa -- JoeStag, 04:05:38pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
FU Alum,
I agree with Rave. If my recap sounded mostly positive, it should have been, because we played that good. If we did not miss a whole bunch of inside layups vs Iowa, we could have won this Tourney. I did list the following weaknesses below, the only thing I would add is that we still had trouble stopping talented Big Men, and that will remain so until Middleton continues to progress, but the Tulane game was a very big step for him.
- we still did not get a lot of inside baskets. We got to the inside vs Iowa, but were intimidated by a good defensive 6-11 Hansen, and Todd and Ogeslby just could not finish.
- (we) struggle at getting an inside rebound.
- Todd...... Struggled going to hoop vs Iowa, and then stuggled again in 1st half vs Tulane. IMO, Todd is stuggling with his role in the new open offense, some players need more time
- Oglesby..... has to control his turnovers
- Carter ...... He might not get the rebound but he battle's
- Herbie ..... IMO, Herbiew is similar to Todd and he struggling a bit to learn his role in the open offense.
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Re: Question on the Tulane Game -- Rave, 09:10:40am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
Tulane was very athletic. Their guards weren't that good. Our ball movement and guickness was outstanding. Hahn hit big shots early, Ogelsby in the middle of the game and terrence todd scored all his 18 points in the last 10 minutes of the game. Our foul shooting down the stretch was outstanding(Todd/mvs/bell). Middleton was a big factor in the game. He had 4 blocks and was a presence in the middle. They were getting easy shots inside until he came in. Reedal also played well for the short time he was in there. At one point in the first half, we had hahn, herbie, reedal, middleton and Danny O. in the game and played very well pushing the lead to 8 or 9. This team has a lot of weapons but the key is hahn. For a freshman his poise and lack of mistakes is unbelieveable. He makes all the right decisions. This team is starting to get used to each other. If Middleton continues to improve, when mamadou and max return TOT will have some hard decisions to make. By the way, TOT is handling this team very well.
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Re: Question on the Tulane Game -- JCM, 09:47:50am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
I was critical of TOT after the losses to St. Joe's and St. Francis. But even though we have only gone 1-2, I think TOT has done an outstanding job of handling the team over the past 3 games...
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Re: Question on the Tulane Game -- Pitt Stag Fan, 11:28:43am 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
I agree, I am feeling good about their chances in the MAAC. If you take out the St. Joe's blowout, or even if we just lost by a respectable amount, our performance so far wouldnt be too bad, considering the losses we have had from last year's team.
I am optimistic and look forward to our game against Loyola, should be a good test for how we will fare in the MAAC this year. Can't help but think how we would be doing with a decent big man or two this year.
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Re: Question on the Tulane Game -- Nashville Stag Fan, 09:08:31pm 12/05/05 Mon, [1]
What Rave and JS reported was a very accurate discription of how we played. A very important thing that happened was Middleton and Reedal playing significant minutes in a winning effort, which is sure to bolster their confidence as well as the other players and the coaching staff in them. Also the offensive continuity, with all five players on the court being able to handle, pass, and shoot was a beautiful thing to watch. MVS being named all tourney was well deserved, but the effort was well balanced, as Todd or Han could just as easily been named. Han again was special in all facets of the game, and TT got hot when the game was on the line! Also great to see Bell do well in front of his friends and family.
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