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Date Posted: 08:48:30 11/21/04 Sun
Author: Marisa
Subject: Re: Sistema Complexo: Tímidas perguntas
In reply to: José Euríalo 's message, "Re: Sistema Complexo: Tímidas perguntas" on 07:40:34 11/21/04 Sun

José e colegas,

A minha idéia é a de equilíbrio, harmonização. Foi isso que entendi com a leitura das narrativas. Talvez tenha entendido tudo errado. Mas vamos lá. Olhe este trecho:

"My teacher used to lend me extra books for reading just by pleasure and I practiced a lot of my English talking to myself, but I could not talk to somebody else, because I was always afraid of make mistakes in pronunciation and very insecure.

At the university, things changed completely. The professor explained us that we also had to collect materials, practice lot of listening activities besides the ones we had to practice in class. The interaction in class motivated me and most of the students to talk a lot and the more we used to speak, the more we learned in terms of vocabulary, pronunciation, grammar, etc. She also advised us to leave grammar activities to do at home and bring doubts to class. http://www.veramenezes.com/i048.htm


One can conclude that teachers may influence the student’s development of autonomy, but even when they do not play the expected roles, an inner chaos might urge the students to take decisions to increase their learning processes.

E este outro ( vou colocar este trecho todo, para poder fazer sentido, apesar de ser meio grande):

This example can also illustrate another feature of the chaos theory – the sensitive dependence on the initial conditions. Lorenz (2001) redefines “a chaotic system as one that is sensitively dependent on interior changes in the initial conditions[15] (p.24).” He states that

Sensitivity to exterior changes will not by itself imply chaos. Concurrently, we may wish to modify our idea as to what constitutes a single dynamical system, and decide that, if we have altered the value of any virtual constant, we have replaced our system by another system. In that case chaos, as just redefined, will be equivalent to sensitive dependence on changes that are made within one and the same system.


In the last example, it is clear that an inner change in the learner’s attitude made all the difference in his learning process. Fear and shyness were overcome by his motivation, willingness to learn, attitude, beliefs and own objectives which could not be achieved during junior high school. His changing position replaced his old learning system for a more autonomous one.

E agora eu te pergunto: o sistema continuou caótico ou buscou uma certa estabilidade, resultando em maior autonomia? O que não quer dizer que ficará assim 'para sempre'. Pode ser que daqui algum tempo, um outro elemento entre em ação e provoque mudanças. O que vocês acham?


Abraços,
Marisa


>Será que devemos procurar "estabilizar o sistema",
>Marisa?
>
>Lembre-se destes trechos do texto de PAIVA (2004):
>
>"The degrees of autonomy are not stable and can vary
>depending on internal and external conditions"
>
>"A complex system is not a state, but a process and
>each component of the system belongs to an environment
>build up by the interactions among its parts"
>
>"On reviewing the twelve aspects of autonomy, listed
>above, one can easily recognize some features that are
>natural characteristics of any complex or dynamic
>system, such as the idea of process in opposition to
>state, instability, variability, and adaptability.
>Thus, I would like to suggest that autonomy is a
>complex system nested in another complex system, the
>SLA system[9]."
>
>Pense nisso e, se quiser, me envie uma crítica a este
>comentário, por favor!
>
>Obrigado,
>
>José.

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