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Subject: Re: "Irrational superstition"


Author:
Rowan
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Date Posted: 10/08/07 16:36
In reply to: zenwind 's message, ""Irrational superstition"" on 9/08/07 18:27

Sad man, (or worried man?) ... I fear he protesteth too much!

Trying to measure alternative therapies... healing / spiritual or whatever, with "scientific" methods is akin to trying to measure the height of a tree in american dollars, or the colour of a flower in pounds and ounces. The energy sytems and vibrational techniques are on different planes.

All this tosh banded about by the scientists, many of whom are in the pay of the drug companies are fighting a rear guard action - if alternative therapies were as he says, nothing but superstition, then presumably in many cases, people using them would be disappointed at the lack of results.

At the end of the day ... we fight to survive, by any means possible. However into alternative stuff we are, if it doesn't work and "trad" science does, then we swallow our pride and take the best option for a positive outcome.

It always amazes me, how quiet these scientists are on the stats for deaths caused by allopathic medicine. And compare these to those caused by, say herbal medicine. And as for "money spinning" - that's a joke, seeing that the drug companies are the biggest fat cats of all.

These guys see themselves as the traditionalists ... alternative as "new age", when in fact it is actually the other way round. These so say new age therapies have been around and used successfully by indiginous cultures all over the world, for thousands of years.

I do agree that there needs to be proper regulation in this field, as there are people out there who are acting unscrupulously to line their own pockets and using their clients/patients vulnerability to do so. And I am not saying that the scientific route has no place ... it does, very much so, but alongside "alternative", not instead of.

Maybe certain aspects of the alternative scene are down to a placebo effect, often because this area focuses on the whole person rather than just the symptoms, hence allowing the body to access its own healing. This would likely take longer and would be more subtle and difficult to measure.

But, hey i was forgetting ... of course ... scientists don't want us to get better, or stay well and not be ill, or in fact, to feel happy and contented in any way.

Cos that would put them out of a job, wouldn't it?

Here endeth my rant for today! LOL

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zenwind
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Date Posted: 10/08/07 19:13

Rowan

I know and I could not agree more and echo what you said. And I always find it perplexing when people say "I don't believe in anything" but they believe in the scientific method as pointing to their truths. And science has its fundamentalists too.

Dawkins believes in a lot of speculative assumptions....he may not want to open the doors of temples, churches, but hey he could do so a little in his mind.

I agree that science and complementary routes both have their place but there is a lot that science does not do..... and spirituality and religion can....help to relieve suffering, compassion, kindness....and be there to hold someones hand....

peace
zenwind

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