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Date Posted: 16:00:45 04/25/11 Mon
Author: Ben
Subject: Re: If you are here still
In reply to: Margaret 's message, "Re: If you are here still" on 23:09:52 04/23/11 Sat

Hello again, dear Margaret!

> - Ben, how can I control Jack's masturbation? He
>isn't all time under my direct supervision and he
>never masturbates in front me. I saw it a few times
>accidently only. I think, he can do it in toilet,
>during showering, in the bed...

My mother controlled me by using cotton swabs on my glans and into the opening to find out if there was semen!
Margaret, where's a will there's a way!

>Moreover, Ben, you
>know (we began earlier our coversations since this
>question) I consider masturbation is normal and
>natural thing for teen-boys and, if be honest, for
>teen-girls too. I read books about teens raising and
>doctors consider masturbation is natural in this age.

You know that my opinion is different in this point. But we mustn't repeat that if you don't want to.

>A few
>times, when his bottom was dirty, we together went to
>bathroom and I wiped him as little boy.
>If I check him within day (I do it sometimes), he
>ought to pull down trousers and boxers till knee,
>bent, and spread his cheeks by hand. Ben, how did you
>checked boys and Vanessa during daily checking (except
>Saturday prespanking checking)?

In the same way, Margaret.

>>Did you check their underpants daily or
>during laundry only. Who checked Mark's underpants,
>you or his mother?

Daily. Mark was usually checked by his mother.

>>I made them be ashamed. - Ben, how you made it?

I showed them their skid marks in front of Vanessa and/or Mark's mother. From time to time I hanged their underware around their necks and let them wear it for an hour or so.

> - Ben, were twins or someone other witnesses
>when Mark's mother bathed him? If yes, till which age?

No. Only me one or two times.

> - Now, I'm sure it was good method of your
>mother and it would be useful for Jack.

Please tell me of your experiences, will you?

>puberty age. Parents request cleanliness? I won't wipe
>behind even!

Sorry, but english is not my native language, you know. What do you mean exactly?

> Ben, how old were you, when your mother began this
>complete checking and when she trust to you to be
>independent in cleanliness and stopped control. Was
>anyone witness of this checking?

It lasts from 12 to 17. My father, my younger sister, my aunt and my grand parents were witnesses from time to time. That was especially embarrassing but strongly effective!

>>You should threat him that you will tell Jessica about
>>it,
>>if he doesn't improve his cleanliness.
>>And if that's not enough, than really talk to her! -
> - It's good advice. Thank you.

Please also tell me of your experiences in this point, OK?

>>1. When Jack stands before you with a full blown
>>erection, is his glance exposed? Can you see if it's
>>clean? - Yes, when his penis almost touchs his
>abdomen, glance is open, but I couldn't evaluate is it
>clean enough then.

Another point why checking it by yourself again could be sensefull.

>Ben, I'l disscus this question with you sincerely, but
>I have no information enough. I would thanksfull to
>you for complete information about Mark's mom special
>methods. I know your "trio" according to your words
>and any additional information help us to speak about
>our children raising. For you it's past, but for my
>boy present and any information from such experience
>man is useful.

As I mentioned before, it was a very special thing that not many parents may understand. Many persons may think that it was child abuse. But you must know, Mark's mom was (and still is) an experienced studied and examinated pedagogue. She followed her opinion that masturbation of boys used by themselves only guides to goatishness but it can be used by a third person, an authority, to calm them down and to reduce aggressions. So, while bathing Mark she sometimes manipulated his erected penis until his climax. (She started it first one time as he had both arms broken in an accident and had both arms in plaster for several weeks so he couldn't "help" himself). She felt confident that it was a successful way to control his rebellious feelings. I cannot say exactly if this procedure was really the cause but indeed he was less aggressive after it. And it was fact that he still loved his mother and accepted her as his authority (perhaps more than before...).
Margaret, please say it frankly, what do you think about that?

>PS. By the way, I think, your mother had great work to
>change rebellious teen in good and lover father your
>own children and Mark, really? Her methods were right,
>yes?

Absolutely, Margaret. And I am sure it also would work for your Jack.
Best wishes to him!

I'll await your answers
in friendship,
Ben

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