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Date Posted: 11:02:01 03/12/01 Mon
Author: Lynda
Subject: Visitor's News and Comments

Lynda (no email / no homepage) wrote:

FREDERICTON, N.B. - The federal government is ready to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to resolve its fishing dispute with natives. It would use the money to give natives more access to the fishery. It's also promising to try to resolve treaty disputes during the next several years. But the proposal depends on whether Atlantic native bands agree to it and Burnt Church already has turned the minister down flat.

Band Councillor Brian Bartibogue says Burnt Church Mi'kmaqs will fish according to their own management plan again this year, not one set by Ottawa.

"We will not allow the federal government to come in here and dangle a few carrots in front of a starving, impoverished people to take away our entire future."

Friday, Fisheries Minister Herb Dhaliwal released a new plan to convince Burnt Church and 33 other Maritime native bands to follow Ottawa's fishing rules for another three years.

"I think we're addressing many of the concerns of the aboriginal community which is to provide them with immediate benefits, provide more access and training capacity but at the same time announce a long-term process as well."

The plan is said to be worth about half a billion dollars. It would provide fishing licenses, training, boats, gear and money for new wharves in native communities.

In the the long-term it promises to negotiate treaty rights, self-government and access to natural resources.

Burnt Church natives said no to Ottawa's offer last year. They fished by their own rules and clashed with DFO enforcement officers.

Other bands and native groups watched the struggle and threatened to join the fight when their agreements expire in six weeks.

Atlantic chiefs will meet in Halifax next week to consider their response.
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8 Date: 2001-02-10 16:20:36
Lynda (no email / no homepage) wrote:

CALGARY - A group of aboriginal people is suing the government of Canada Friday for taking away its land more than a century ago.

The Papaschase Descendants Council says their predecessors were forced off their land in south Edmonton in 1888. That land, virtually all of the city south of 51 Ave., would be worth more than $2-billion today.

The Papaschase council filed its suit in Alberta Court of Queen's Bench Friday. Ron Maurice, the lawyer representing the group, says his clients don't want the land back, but they do want compensation.

"We're looking at it from the perspective of obtaining restitution for the loss of the land," says Maurice. "We're talking about either the replacement value of the land or replacement lands somewhere else. Those are really the options that we're looking at."

Maurice says the group filed a lawsuit instead of a land claim because the Papaschase people are not recognized by the federal government as an Indian band. There are 3,000 to 5,000 Papaschase people who live primarily in central and northern Alberta.


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7 Date: 2001-02-10 16:19:03
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VANCOUVER, Wash. (AP) - When the Lewis and Clark Expedition reached the Pacific in the winter of 1805 - wet, cold and heartily sick of venison and dried salmon - the locals took pity on them.

"They were huddled for over 10 days in total misery on the north side of the river in storms at a place they called Station Camp," said Gary Johnson, chairman of the Chinook Tribe, now based just west of the site.

"Some Chinook people came along in a canoe and helped them out and continued to trade food with them and help them make it through the winter."

These days, as the nation gears up for the 200th anniversary of the overland survey by Meriwether Lewis and William Clark that opened the west to white settlement, the Chinook are battling for recognition by the U.S. government.

At the same time, they are being asked - "almost on a daily basis," Johnson said - to participate in commemoration activities.

"They want their input but they don't want to recognize them," said Dennis Whittlesey of Washington, D.C., the exasperated attorney who has worked on Chinook recognition for 22 years.

The Chinook do intend to participate, Johnson said.

"We see it as a real opportunity to tell our story," he said.

"It would be terribly ironic if a tribe identified in the journals as having had direct and extensive interaction with the Voyage of Discovery were not recognized" during the bicentennial, said U.S. Rep. Brian Baird, D-Wash., who has written the BIA in support of recognition for the tribe.

By the time Lewis and Clark arrived, the Chinook had been trading for several years with ocean-borne visitors who wanted furs. But the surveyors were after "something not very intelligible: information," said tribal historian Stephen Dow Beckham, a professor at Lewis and Clark College in Portland, Ore.

While other late 18th and early 19th century visitors had arrived by sea and then sailed away, the surveyors rafted in on the river, built Fort Clatsop on the Oregon and stayed for months, "so the tenor of the relationship was a bit different," Beckham said. "It must have caused them great wonderment. Why had these people come with their beads and fishhooks and copper kettles?"

The Chinook gave the visitors food, woven hats and a wealth of information about local flora and fauna, rivers and villages - and their own people.

It's not clear why the Chinook were knocked off the list of federally recognized tribes.

"There is no act, no document terminating the relationship," Beckham said.

Whittlesey said the tribe was recognized until about 30 years ago, but somewhere along the line, they became nonexistent.

The tribe filed a petition for recognition with the Interior Department in 1981. The BIA issued a preliminary decision against them in 1997, and the tribe appealed.

Johnson said the agency overlooked "a vast amount" of material submitted by the tribe and later found in a BIA desk drawer. The agency promised to use the additional documents in their review, he said.

BIA officials did not return repeated calls for comment.

Word is a decision has already been made and is awaiting Gover's signature - expected before the Bush administration takes over.

In the meantime, "we just say that we are recognized - we have just been left off one list of acknowledged tribes," Johnson said.

"We deal with all the state and federal agencies and our tribal office is basically funded by a government grant," he said. "Our families went to Indian schools and the Indian Health Service."

And tribal members hold land allotments on the Quinault Reservation - a privilege extended under an 1887 law only to federally recognized tribal members.

The Chinook allotments were ordered under a 1931 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that found the Quinault reservation had been expanded in 1872 - from 10,000 acre to 220,000 acres - to accomodate a total of eight tribes, including the Chinook. Chinook people own 52 percent of the allotted land at Quinault, Whittlesey said.

Allotment earnings - usually from the logging of timber on the land holdings - are passed on to the Chinook, as are earnings from trust accounts managed by the BIA, now being sued for billions in tribal funds lost to mismanagement.

The Chinook may have lost federal recognition in part because they have no reservation. That put them at a disadvantage during the Nixon administration, when policies of "self-determination" favored tribes with a land base, Whittlesey said.

The tribe has 2,110 registered members, but there are more, Johnson said.

They'd like a land base in "Chinook Country," along the Columbia and Willapa Bay, he said. That's a long way from the Quinault reservation, about 75 miles north on the Pacific Coast.


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6 Date: 2001-02-10 16:13:39
A Friend (no email / no homepage) wrote:

Elders Meditation of the Day - February 9

"It can be 100 degrees in the shade one afternoon and suddenly there
comes a storm with hailstones as big as golf balls, the prairie is all
white and your teeth chatter. That's good-a reminder that you are just a
small particle of nature, not so powerful as you think."

--Lame Deer, LAKOTA

No event, no relationship, no joy, no sadness, no situation ever stays
the same. Every setback is only temporary. Even setbacks change. Why?
Because the Great Spirit designed the world to be constantly changing.
We are not the center of the universe, we are but a small part. The
whole is constantly changing, and we as humans are constantly
participating in the change. We have two choices, to resist change or
participate in the change. Every change can be resisted, and every
change can be made in cooperation. What will I choose today, resistance
or cooperation?


Great Spirit,
teach me to
make cooperative
changes.





5 Date: 2001-02-10 16:09:34
A Friend (no email / no homepage) wrote:

THINK ON THESE THINGS
by Joyce Sequichie Hifler

We have so little faith in our own common sense that we tend to wait in
groups to be herded in this way and that -- even when we know it is
wrong.

One clear sunshiny day following a period of threatening weather, storm
sirens shorted out in the electrical system and began to whine. People
rushed in from all directions to take shelter in a storm cellar. They
panicked rather than seeing there was not a cloud in the sky.

Are we programmed to stampede? If someone has an illness, what if we get
it? If someone stumbles -- when will we fall? Our fears are out running
our common sense. This very minute is the best time to change our words
and change our ways -- defying fear to take control. The Word says, My
God meets my every need. When are we going to believe it and say it?





4 Date: 2001-02-10 16:07:42
LPDC (no email / no homepage) wrote:

Friends,

Rosalyn Jumping Bull asked that we forward the following to you.

-LPDC

I was filled with such sadness this past week because of Leonard not getting
his freedom. As I sat and thought about what has happened, it occurred to
me that Leonard is a bridge to bring all of us together. It is through him
we are becoming acquainted with one another, sharing what we have, and
helping each other through hard times. Leonard is a nice person and we miss
him very much. All what Clinton did to us people of Oglala was bad. I guess
we will have to forgive him. Us elderlies don't have much time left and we
had hoped to be able to see him free. We are not giving up, but we want to
ask the young people to work hard and make sure he comes home.

Mitakuye Oyasin
All my relations,

Roselyn Jumping Bull



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3 Date: 2001-02-09 13:15:02
Chuck (no email / no homepage) wrote:

Thanks SH,loved the stories.

2 Date: 2001-02-08 13:45:19
Sacred Heart (no email / no homepage) wrote:

OK CHUCK, you ask for it,now you have it.Check out the LORES;MYTHS;etc book.Hope you like them.

1 Date: 2001-02-08 12:25:18
Chuck (no email / no homepage) wrote:

Hey Sacred Heart,this is great,but how about some Apache language and stories? Come on girl give us some Apache.

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