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Date Posted: 18:49:34 09/07/06 Thu
Author: Peter Khoo Shame On You! (mentorsofasia)
Subject: Peter Khoo Shame On You!
In reply to: Peter K.H.Khoo 's message, "Please Sign my Guestbook - feel free to leave any advice or encouragement to help me get started!" on 19:24:42 09/02/06 Sat

Peter Khoo Shame On You!


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mentorsofasia



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 3

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject: Peter Khoo Shame On You!

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Peter,
really.. you put your picture and promote yourself on a post that was to congradulate Akram Din for achieveing Gold International Diamond??? Shame On You! where is your sense of decency?? if your judgement isnt better than that, I doubt you will ever be a Gold let alone a Platinum like you want to suggest you are by your posted name!

Really.. we need to remove posts like Peter's when it is totally out of good taste. My choice for Malaysia is "Winners" Akram and Sheri Din's Team! They are the only two Gold Internationals in Malaysia, and S. E. Asia!
There picture are in the Gold Section of this website!

Fadzli

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Kevin Moore



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Utah
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: A Marathon

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I rarely post on this board, but I have been associated with 4Life for almost 8 years now and every once in a while I believe opinions should be voiced.

I couldn't agree with you any more on the fact that someone posting under a false rank or elevated position is ethically wrong, but I have to say that your content was almost as equally disturbing to me personally.

Why is it that some people put so much weight in who was the "first" to qualify somewhere? What exactly does that mean? Why is that so relevant? In my experience with the company, I have seen many be the "first" at something and then disappear as quickly as they came. I remember 2 of the “first” Presidential Diamonds that were on the original IAB with 4Life. I am not going to name their names because I don’t feel it appropriate, but neither is still with the company and 4Life has accomplished huge things since their departure. Mike Akins, Dave Daughtrey, Ray Meurer, and Bonnie Taylor qualified with that first group as well. They too were all on the original IAB. It wasn’t being “first” that distinguished the future of this collective group of distributors. It was vision, dedication, work ethic, attitude, character, and perseverance that determined their present level of success and proved to be the difference. I believe those same things will be the key attributes to the next 5-10 years as 4Life continues on this great journey. Shouldn’t the true level of accomplishment be with those who not only get there but they who also help others, maintain the rank themselves, facilitate growth, and expand the company and our mission? Isn't that the very essence of 'Together, Building People?”

By no means am I trying to discredit what the "Winners4Life" in Malaysia have done and what they continue to do. They are an awesome team and I have nothing but respect for Sheri Din and her leaders. I am only saying that in my opinion, the wrong accomplishment is being focused on. Sheri and that team should be complemented on the fact that they are achieving new levels of success, and pioneering new ranks in their respective markets, but much more of the focus should be on their track record for helping other succeed and developing a team that emulates what 4Life and this mission is centered on.

There are others in Professional Networkers team that are doing the same. I am heading to Malaysia for 8 days on Monday and I know Richard and Nancy Quek and "Dream Builders" are focused on their goals and "Taking Transfer Factor to the World" as well. They have a great team, as does Sheri, and they too are striving to help others reach and maintain their goals and live their dreams with 4Life. The list of leaders in Malaysia is far too long to name, but many are pioneering new regions and have the vision to see the big picture of what 4Life offers to others.

I am troubled by the stressing significance of "being the first." The same thing happened when Dave Daughtrey was building towards Platinum. So much emphasis was put on who would achieve the high rank... "first." Dave was sixth and it doesn't matter, because he built many others on his way to reaching the plateau himself. Plus he has qualified EVERY month since his initial rank advancement. Mike Akins will reach Platinum. He won't be first either, but does it really matter? We are in a company that has tremendous leaders and an amazing future. 4Life will be around for decades and decades to come. 4Life and its security offer us all a chance to live our dreams. It is not a race to be confused with a sprint, because it is a race that requires stamina and endurance. It is much more like a marathon. That is what makes 4Life unique! With some companies you need to be the “first” because the truth of the matter is your opportunity will be short lived and the window of prospect will shut quickly and be extremely temporary. With 4Life we have a secure opportunity that will withstand time and provides us with the means to truly get paid on what we start for years to come. The globe is big enough for all of us and the race we run is all for the same team and ultimately that team is 4Life and on this board it should be under the Professional Networkers family in my opinion.
It's just my two cents and it doesn't amount to much, but I thought I would get on the soapbox for a spell. It's a subject I am passionate about and I have respect for all of the leaders in Malaysia as I do for 4Life distributors in general, but I hope we can focus on the big picture.

Success to you all,

Kevin
_________________
Kevin Moore
4Life/Together, Building People
www.RideTheRiver.net
Kevin4Life@Comcast.net
801-768-1813 (phone)
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mentorsofasia



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Posts: 3

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: Ethic's

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Kevin,
this wasnt about being first! this was about a man "Peter Khoo" who posted an advertisement on a thread that was started to congradulate Akram Din on reaching Gold International. Peter put a post on that thread to promote himself. Mike Akins even said it was wrong.

This isnt about being first.. who said it was? the fact that Sheri and Akram were the first Gold's doesnt mean they will always have the dominant team in S.E. Asia. But thats not the issue. Peter was wrong to "steal light" since the thread was to congradulate Akram. It was clearly out of taste.

Mentors

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Kevin Moore



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Utah
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: Agreed

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I agree with you. I am merely saying that the focus should be precisely that. So many of these threads in the past couple of weeks have been solely based on being "first" and that is what I was attempting to point out. I wasn’t disagreeing with you or Mike. I only wanted to point out an observation without offending anyone.

Thanks,

Kevin
_________________
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4Life/Together, Building People
www.RideTheRiver.net
Kevin4Life@Comcast.net
801-768-1813 (phone)
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Kevin Moore



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Utah
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: First?

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Oh and one more thought, in your reply, you ask me:

This isnt about being first.. who said it was?

Go and read the ENTIRE post of congratulations to Akram and list how many times it is stressed "first." I'm not just pulling that emphasis out of thin air. I gave my opinion just as you gave yours.

Take care,

Kevin
_________________
Kevin Moore
4Life/Together, Building People
www.RideTheRiver.net
Kevin4Life@Comcast.net
801-768-1813 (phone)
801-880-5009 (fax)

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Mike Akins



Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 230

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject:

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Hi Kevin,

It is so nice to see you post on the forum. You point about being first was expressed well. Our hats are off to everyone that is involved in building a future that all of us can be proud of and secure in. Keep up the great work you are doing for so many people. Be blessed. Mike

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Kevin Moore



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Utah
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: Thank you Mike

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Thanks Mike,

I am grateful for your continued friendship and the support that you and your team provide. I'll send you an email and let you know how the trip goes to Malaysia next week. I sincerely appreciate your support, the tools you provide, and the environment for success that you promote. Take care and thanks again!

God Bless,

Kevin
_________________
Kevin Moore
4Life/Together, Building People
www.RideTheRiver.net
Kevin4Life@Comcast.net
801-768-1813 (phone)
801-880-5009 (fax)

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Sheri Din



Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 14
Location: Singapore/Malaysia
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:17 am Post subject:

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Hey Kevin,

What a surprise to see on the board. I thought I’ll share my two cents as well…. Hopefully it will help make things a little clearer.

When I decided to join 4Life in May 2004, and went on to GID in September 2006, I dare say that more than 90% of my volume was in Malaysia. But we had issues about where to put our pictures and to which nation we belong, etc. I had moved to Malaysia since July 2004, struggled very, very hard the first 6 months and hardly ever spend time in Singapore, and then they were going to put my picture at the Singapore office only. It seems I wasn’t qualified to be recognized in Malaysia. Now, that is grossly unfair to me and my team. So we had these things to negotiate with the company, and then of course, since I was a Gold from out of Singapore, Malaysia didn’t have a Gold yet. And some people in Malaysia were ALREADY claiming themselves as Gold on their personal 4Life websites!

Now, I’m a hard worker, as many leaders here are, I’m sure, but I don’t practice claiming a pin level that I am not. And I also believe that credit must be given where credit is due. Akram, my brother is a Malaysian national and he finally made Gold, and that is quite an accomplishment. He is the first Malaysian to do it, and we are all very proud of it! It shows that our system works. And that we’re not just hot air (as some people put it, when I got my rank). Trust me, we hear all kinds of talk in a market as tight as this

You talk about the successes of others… Yes, that is the core of what we are building. The success of others. I spend a lot of money on incentives, training and teambuilding programs to reward my leaders who reach certain pin ranks and to help everyone else on my team have a good chance of earning the success levels they desire. Most of my income has gone towards that this past two years, but I take it as a necessary investment.

Now, I do know of some leaders who achieve a pin rank by manipulation. The make exaggerated income claims, and false promises to entice people to throw in a lot of money for these positions. They can win once only. In the long term, they lose out, because their put their good name against their greed. I feel sorry for such leaders. In time, the word will get out, and nobody would trust them anymore.

As you correctly stated, MLM is a marathon, not a sprint. Its a very long term business and we create many friendships along the years. Good relationships can be built in across many angles, not just upline and downline. The Singapore leaders are a great example. There is a strong spirit of sharing and togetherness. Everytime the company has a get together, we have such a great time. I must mention Richard Koh, Patrick Ser, and Aidoros. We are from different teams but we get along very well. I even invited Aidoros to sit in my Winners strategy meeting. I didn't see any problems in sharing the ideas that we had, with him, although he is not in my downline.

You know, I used to do open meetings in Malaysia when I first got here, informed the company to invite leaders from other lines to attend my meetings. We did okay. I got Jeff Altgilbers and Dave Phillips to some of our meetings. But later on, I realized I was the only one organizing these open meetings. And of course, I had to bear the costs alone. No other leader had ever invited me or my team to a meeting with their upline. So, in the end, I decided that where no US upline are involved, I will run meetings for my team only.

When Dave Daughtrey comes here, he is always at the invitation of certain leaders. Mike Akins used to also come at private invitations. I made my feelings very clear to both Dave and Mike that in order for us to grow strong and solid in 4Life, the top leadership must set the example. I encouraged Dave and Mike to make time for “open meetings” when they come to our area, so that EVERYBODY can benefit from their wisdom.

The last time that Dave came to Malaysia at some of his other leader’s invitation, he called me to let me know he has one evening he can put aside to do training with my team. Guess what I did? I asked the company to announce it, so that Dave could do the meeting at the 4Life office, open to ALL distributors. Dave was okay with it. The company was happy. I was happy, and we had a good turnout that night! I could have acted selfishly, if I wanted to. I had the option to use Dave exclusively for my group. But I chose to share Dave’s time with everyone.
I wish we could get on this track with the top leadership that comes here to do training. Make time to have an open meeting for everyone. Arrange it with the company. I am very sure, many distributors will be very pleased to have the chance to meet with and listen to the wisdom of these top leaders. To come halfway across the world exclusively for one team only seems quite a shame.

Anyway, yes, back to the topic of being first. What you say is true. It’s not about being first. It’s about who lasts. But being first is a nice record to make. It takes some tremendous effort and drive. It’s the type of “thing” that make champions Muhammad Ali is out of the ring now, for good, but everybody still remembers his name…

I hope you look me up when you come Kevin. I have some complicated comp plan questions to ask you. We all know how good you are at this! See u soon.

Success, peace and love
Sheri Din
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+6012-312-0109 (MY)
+65-9107-0709 (SG)
www.my4life.com/sheridin
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Kevin Moore



Joined: 09 Mar 2006
Posts: 5
Location: Utah
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: Hi Sheri

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I agree with your post completely. Thank you for taking the time to write it. I believe that you and I see very much the same on this issue. My attempt was not to discredit anyone or any single accomplishment. As you know, I still have quite a bit of contact with many different 4Life leaders in many different organizations since my departure from the corporate office in 2004. I am very grateful for that because the relationships that I developed during my 6 years of employment at 4Life are still important to me and I hope will last a lifetime. With those continuing relationships, I hear a common concern that being "first" is too strongly emphasized. I also read it on this board now and again. I agree with you completely, Sheri. I do not think we should detract from strong accomplishments of legitimate rank advancement. That should be celebrated. I just think we should also be careful that as we recognize that "first" achievement that we also keep focus and vision for the larger goal and accomplishing the big picture. So in short.. let's AGREE to AGREE. My contact information is below. Please email me when you get a chance. I would love to meet with you during my trip. I leave next Monday, so hopefully we can find some time while I am there. I look forward to hearing from you and wish the best of continued success to you and your team.

Kevin
_________________
Kevin Moore
4Life/Together, Building People
www.RideTheRiver.net
Kevin4Life@Comcast.net
801-768-1813 (phone)
801-880-5009 (fax)

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vaneca



Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 1

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:47 am Post subject:

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Shame on you, Ms Sheri Din. You take peter and single him out as doing something unethical.

It is not a secret here in Malaysia that the only reason you made GID so quickly is the legs and volume put under you by Jeff Altgibert to get you to come into the business.

You, in turn, have practiced the same unethical behavior by build your brothers legs to make them GID. So stop with the "Poor Me's" and get to helping a few more of us.

Vaneca

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Sheri Din



Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 14
Location: Singapore/Malaysia
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:20 am Post subject:

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"Vaneca" darling,

A word of advice. If you ever want to be taken seriously in life, you need to dare to stand behind your words. The first step is to identify yourself properly when issuing any statement, make sure you have all your facts to support your allegations, and stop hiding behind a fictitious name ;) Look at Kevin Moore's post. And mine. Our names, email addresses and phone numbers are there. I even clicked to look at your profile and what did I see. Nothing. If you don't honor & respect yourself, how you do expect others to honor & respect you, and your words....?

Anyway, all the best to you.

Sheri Din
_________________
+6012-312-0109 (MY)
+65-9107-0709 (SG)
www.my4life.com/sheridin
Taking Transfer Factor to the World!

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Mike Akins



Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 230

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject:

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Hi Sheri,

I appreciate sharing this information. I agree with you on the open meetings. I plan on traveling internationally extensively next year. (I took this year off because of loved ones being very ill). When I come to Malaysia, I plan on providing several open seminars and opportunity meetings. Thanks for sharing. Be blessed. Mike

Website - http://www.professionalnetworkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2238

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